[PrettyBoy]

Originally Posted by James

The problem is that if we get rid of all role behaviors in courtship rituals no one knows what to do or where they stand.

As far as treating her to an expensive dinner or not, its not actually about her. Its about you and how you value yourself.

If she turns out to be an evil whore, or just someone not compatible, it in no way diminishes your generosity or behavior.

But to use the possibility that she is a tramp to justify being cheap is disingenuous.

Its true that being a gentleman is about making people comfortable around you, but primarily its something we do to match our own self concept.

I agree with you 100%, but I don't like being used. AKA Monet is also right. I used to take 1st dates to nice places all the time, but I would never do that now, at least for the 1st few months. I always wait to see if she takes interest in "me", not the places I take her. I also do this, in case I have to go back to these places because nothing is ever promised, and that way she won't care because she's been there before. But believe me, I do believe in treating a lady like a lady, I always have and I always will, I'm just not going to associate myself with women who don't respect themselves. A woman who doesn't respect herself will not respect me, and I refuse to be some low class woman's sugar daddy. But thanks for that James you're absolutely right, but again, to be around a low down snake is a waste of my time, so I don't give them the time of day anymore like I used to.