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"As for lesbians, of course we don't exclude them from our membership. After all, they're women. Just because they prefer to sleep with other females doesn't mean that they can't relate to the same types of things that heterosexual sorority women do. You really can't compare a lesbian to a male in this case. It's like trying to compare apples and oranges.
As for whether a lesbian has more sexual self-control than a man does: That has no relevance at all. We're not barring men from our organizations because we're scared they're going to molest us or make us feel uncomfortable around them sexually!" -- dzrose
Then what are you talking about with this ritual where letting a male in would be like "letting a bull loose in a china shop?" That led me to believe you were talking about some ceremony where all the women were exposed or something? Could you clarify?
"But, here's an example: I'm Catholic. Just because I may want to serve the church in an official capacity, that doesn't mean that I can call up the Archdiocese and tell them that I want to study to become a priest. There are Vatican laws stating that women cannot be admitted into the priesthood. They can, however, enter convents and serve the church as a nun. So, I would take that route offered to me. I would still be serving the church and taking great satisfaction in it... I just wouldn't be wearing the vestments of a priest.
Same thing with guys wanting to be in a sorority (if there are any out there)... If they are that interested in Greek Life, then they can go join a fraternity or a co-ed GLO. It's not like they don't have options open to them that provide the same types of things that a sorority does: friendship, social interaction, and philanthropic opportunities." -- dzrose
It is NOT the same thing. The nature of religious organizations is that you join based on shared beliefs. If certain gender roles are part of those beliefs, then an individual considers those beliefs before subscribing to them and attending the church. It's not like sororities have beliefs about gender roles that they ask men to adopt, and then let them in. The nature of both organizations are completely different from one another. Bad example.
"Well, like the Rolling Stones are so famous for saying, you can't always get what you want. A sorority is a private organization, and its governing body has the right to exclude males if it wants to. That's it in a nutshell... "
So if that's your philosophy, I guess they have the right to exclude people based on race if they wanted to as well, huh? If not, what's the difference?
"The simple fact is that men don't need to be privy to every single thing that a woman is involved in -- just like women don't need to be privy to everything that men are involved in. Men wouldn't be able to relate to the most basic tenets of our organization, and so their presence would be pointless. Might as well send them to a breastfeeding class for new mothers!" -- dzrose
Organizations can argue that certain races can't relate to their most basic tenets as well. Does that mean it's ok to exclude that race? The NAACP didn't think so when they allowed Whites to place membership.
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