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Originally Posted by Crowboy55
When your talking about humiliating and / or treating others poorly you have not understood what i was trying to get across. Sure physical activity and workouts aren't the easiest and most convient thing to do
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See you missed my point--making people do physical activity IS the most convenient and easiest thing to do--it requires no thought on the part of the new member educators to think of these things. As far as being "motivated" by brothers--that can happen when you're doing a sanctioned ropes course, learning something new you've never tried (ballroom dancing, cooking, rockwall climbing), planning a fundraiser or studying together. No need to do hours upon hours of exercise to prove the point. As far as I am concerned, no one should feel loyalty to someone who once treated them like crap. That's not how to "earn" the loyalty of new members.
As far as policing ourselves--that was my point--we aren't doing it so people do it for us. We don't expect them to--we don't even want them to--but campuses have had to in order to protect themselves from liability and lawsuits. If all Greek chapter members followed policies, the laws of our states and lived by the organization's values--then the outside community and campus administration would not feel a need to call us on it and police our programs.
I, too, earn my letters by living my life according to the values of my organization. And as far as new members go, I don't believe that we should bid anyone who does not already represent our values in some way. If you feel the need to break people and rebuild them, then you aren't picking the right men/women to be new members of your organization.
To the OP--you group was shut down because of hazing, and yet you're still here advocating for it! Amazing. Aren't you sad that your group's legacy is that you broke the law? Aren't you sad that men at your university now have one less option to get involved? If you're so loyal to your organization and brothers, wouldn't it have been worth following policies and laws in order to save the chapter??