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Well, I almost didn't post becauseI'm amazed people have these opinions still. Also I was just posting an opinion of my husband's- the after posts were very uncool. It disappoints me and others- others who probably just read & don't post. Worst of all, it also disappoints non-Greek parents who are checking out fraternities. Who knows what assumptions are made by the parents about various fraternities based on what members obviously still think, not the horror stories. Incidently, I am impressed by Delt Alum and his fraternity. He represents them well. Some good values being taught there , obviously.
I disagree with Teke4life, also please don't assume my husband wasn't hazed, because he was. And a friend had his nose broken. And I guess if NOT wanting to have his own sons hazed as he was makes him " bad" or "disloyal", then whatever!! ....That is some messed-up thinking. With comments like that you actually are changing my mind as I read your posts. Maybe my husband is right-nothing has changed fraternity-wise. And if there are some bad guys in the fraternity, GET THEM OUT!!!! But my husband had a bad experience, obviously. Basically, he joins a frat at age 18. Out of 80 guys, there are maybe 20 evil guys. There were 60 great guys that he didn't want to walk away from & that we still are friends with. We are not friends with the bad ones and never were. So he stuck with it. Also, don't assume my husband was a drinker-and a hypocrite to boot. Why am I even explaining this?
Actually, "the Flag Pole Treatment" is hazing. On our campus, the guys involved could have been arrested. For instance, as a DG alumna adviser, we would never allow the collegians to do that. Nor would they want to. I was never hazed in any way. It was a wonderful experience. And, of course, that's why I'm very over-involved today!
I also disagree that most feel hazing oversensitivity is killing Greeks. If that is so, then why have many, many sororities & fraternities made rulings already? A lot of people had to decide on that. I am liable for my girls in DG-I don't want to have to explain anything bad to their parents. They feel peace of mind because they know all 13 of us( yes! 13 advisers for 52 collegians!) are watching over their babies. I would have no problem entrusting my 2 daughters to them. You wouldn't believe the red tape we go through for parties for these girls: at least 2 alumnae present, 3rd party vendor, lists of the 21 year olds with driver's licence attached,etc. But it's worth it especially if I don't get sued & some poor collegian dies. I want that for my sons, too.
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