[Kevin]

I have to wonder -- do y'all think that hazing played a part in the success of these chapters before they were booted? MTSU, Kansas, WSU, Vanderbilt -- all were excellent chapters. I think that experience has shown that LEAD can be as effective. It just has to be really hard to get a chapter to entirely drop something they've been doing for many, many years and then implement something like LEAD in its place.