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Originally Posted by Ch2tf
First of all the "title" South African is NOT a race but a NATIONALITY. We were speaking on RACE as a social construct (i.e. black, white, latino, asian, etc.) White people, descendents of British settlers, and anyone else born in S. Africa are South Africans (national identity), just like a person born in the U.S is an American, just like someone born in Mexico is a Mexican. What you are talking about, from what I gather from your post(s) is colonization issues not 'race' issues. It may appear to be a 'race' issue because the parties involved are of different 'races', but what you seem to be concerned with is colonization. In many cases a discussion of 'race' runs parallel to that of colonization but they are not one in the same.
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Ah, but that is the subtle trick of this whole situation. Historically, South Africans are blacks, African people. In a sense, you could just say that South Africans are the blacks who indigenously occupy the southern part of Africa as well as West Africans are the black people who indigenously occupy the West part of Africa. American is not entirely the same as your parallel to South Africa in terms of national identity. If a West African visited South Africa, he would not be seen as a foreigner yet he would be seen as a black person coming from the West of Africa. He would not be able to come into South Africa or any parts of Africa as a white person and be seen as anything but foreigner.
Historically, Americans are Native Americans reddish brown people. As well as Egypt is historically black African people. However, we don't talk much about those indigenous people who once belonged to those lands and it is a no wonder why for years producers have been getting away with depicting Egyptian characters as anything but black people; to the point where it has gotten that people actually think that the real Egyptians were anything but black. However when one looks at the Egyptian Hieroglyphics, the majority of the people on the Hieroglyphics are black, brown or reddish brown people and the only people who are depicted as white are the invaders. Not to mention, the DNA test done on the Mummies showed that the Egyptians had high levles of melanin equating to present African black people.
Any way, we don't hear anything about the above in history. My point is, conquerors, settlers and people who go around stealing land, they are the ones getting the credit for everything original, they are stealing the land, stealing the benefits of the land and now they are stealing the race, ethnicity and contributions that those particular races and ethnicity's of people contributed through out history. Pretty soon, because America was conquered by the white man, any contributions any American made weather the American is black, brown, native American or Asian, history will argue that people like Martin Luther King, Tupac and so forth were white people. Some will argue that people like Tupac and Martin were native American and some will argue that people like that were black or probably Asian . This whole social construction thing just sounds like propaganda which will promote that the theft of contributions, land and identity is just one of those things.
I can't tell you how many present day Moroccans and Egyptians who are white argue that historical Egyptians were white as well. They really think life began in North Africa with their people. Or do they really think that?
