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Originally Posted by texas*princess
And I'm not really sure what you mean by "running to Mom & Dad" with their problems, because on my old campus, a large portion of people I knew had their own jobs, payed their own rent and were for the most part self-sufficient. If my sorority kicked me out a few weeks before my finals, of course my parents are going to hear about it... not because I'm trying to be a whiney (*&#$ but because that's some major crap to have to deal with at a very crappy time in the semester.
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Right, and I think the DZ housing situation was exceptionally bad. But I don't think it EVER would have been okay with a university, and that actually colleges probably used to be even more involved in student housing decisions than they are today.
( I don't think the last 20 years have changed things that much. If you went back even further, however, you might find a time when more schools guaranteed and supervised or expected supervision of student housing. If everyone has to be in the dorm at a certain hour and checked in with the dorm monitor, I think it would be unlikely that they'd be as cavalier as DZ was about the housing at DePauw, but we're talking more than 20 years ago to get to those days.)
I think increasing concerns about liability have changed a lot about the way we all live now and do our jobs. I'm not sure that it's worse for sororities because of concerns about being PC or looking bad, but maybe I'm wrong.
I think that it's possible that in the past a group might have gotten away with something like the DePauw incident a little easier than they did today, but I disagree about the reasons why.
About the moms and dads comment: it seems to me that in general a greater percentage of college kids rely on their parents for more and more help running their day to day lives. It may not be true for you or on your campus, and one of the things that surprised me about the DePauw deal was how the parents weren't part of the story at all. In any other story about problems with greek life: hazing, risk management, whatever, the moms and dads figure in. When you read about differences that college professors identify with students today versus students in the past, they mention parents calling to complain about grades. I regret mentioning it in the DePauw context, and I didn't mean it as an accusation about you or your school, but it's one of those comparing then and now things that's interesting to me.
ETA: I'm not casting any stones on the parents deal: I've always been someone to talk to my parents a lot. I don't mean getting them to intervene for me. But we're close, even today. There's nothing wrong with parents advising their offspring, but they shouldn't still be taking care of a lot of stuff for their kids if the kids are in college or beyond, and that seems to be what people complain about
: parents calling advisers, greek life coordinators about bad rush results, HR directors at the first job, etc. I'm a little surprised that no angry mom or dads have surfaced in the reporting about DePauw if all the stories about "helicopter parents" going to college are true.
The parents thing is a weird and random digression and I apologize.