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Originally Posted by macallan25

From my point of view, he was obviously trying to be a normal pledge and did what the guys wanted him to do. Shit, I was naive as hell when I was a freshman in college. I did just about everything that they told me to do during pledgeship. I definitely knew my limits.......but I definitely wanted to participate in everything I could. I think when you are a pledge you absolutely have the notion that everything you are going through was endured by everyone else that went through before you. In a way, that makes pledgeship easier. I really don't think you can always blame parental upbringing when people our age make bad decisions (in some cases, sure you can. Absolutely)...i'll be the first to admit that. I was raised in a pretty strict household and was taught plenty about personal responsibility, accountability, respect, and all of that good stuff.............and I do dumb shit all of the time. Its college.

I do agree with you though on some points. I think blaming the fraternity from an organizational standpoint is pretty lame. If you want to go after individuals, with a valid reason, I can see that being ok.

I have to agree with everything that macallan is saying (Don't die of shock, macallan. ). I am also getting real tired of organizations getting blamed when an individual/individuals do stupid stuff. There is absolutely no way that IHQs or chapter advisors can keep an eye on every single minute detail of what the members are doing. This isn't a situation like what was happening with the Catholic Diocese ("Oh, this member at State U is hazing pledges. Let's send him to University of Duh and maybe he'll stop hazing."). I do think that the individuals need to held responsible.