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Old 01-08-2007, 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by blueangel View Post
Can you quote some statistics to back up your allegation? On the contrary, I seem to be finding evidence of a glut of meat -- both chicken and beef on the U.S. market:

"In November, Tyson ended its fiscal year with a third straight quarterly loss, as its chicken and beef businesses were hurt by a glut of meat on the market. Agricultural economists have blamed the meat surplus on a range of factors, including overproduction following high market prices for animals in the past two years."
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/fn/4440816.html

The glut drove meat prices down... and as a result, the struggling meat industry is looking at the recent winter storms on the Plains as prompting beef prices to rise next year.

What about the overproduction of milk?

"Carol Tucker Foreman, of the Consumer Federation of America, said U.S. farmers produce more milk than Americans can drink, and the government must buy the surplus. "Since 1999, dairy-support programs have cost taxpayers over $5 billion," she said."
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...8_clone29.html



Again.. where are you numbers? The low success rate and the high number of abnormalites in cloned animals not only makes no economic sense, but it is cruel to animals. Further... Did you know that this process will cost an estimated $15,000 per procedure?
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...8_clone29.html



There has been much resistance to the idea of consuming cloned meats in much of the world. It would seem to me that instead of being positive for our trade balance, this would be a big negative as other countries will be suspect of the safety of US Food.

Countries like Japan and South Korea have already had or have bans of U.S. meat in place due to bovine spongiform encephalopathy (Mad Cow) worries. In fact in 2006, 21 countries banned the importation of U.S. meat over safety concerns. And you think the U.S. food supply is safe? Apparently, those countries think so.

" According to a recent report to the European Union’s executive arm by the Danish Centre for Bioethics and Risk Assessment, “Groups of citizens, and even some member states, would be likely to resist the import and/or marketing [labeled or unlabeled] of cloned animals and their products.“

"In South Korea, one of the largest export markets for U.S. beef, cloned foods “are not positive“ said Sockjoong Yoon, minister for public affairs at the South Korean Embassy in Washington. Chong Ghee Ahn, the embassy’s economic counselor, said it was too early to say what impact cloning might have on U.S. exports. However, he added that in the wake of mad-cow disease and avian flu, “Korean customers are getting very, very sensitive.“
http://www.cattlenetwork.com/content...ontentid=94274

Regarding South America: Columbia and Peru have only recently reopened importation of U.S. meat after banning it due to Mad Cow concerns. This is not new trade as you imply. In 2003 for example, the U.S. exported a combined total of more than $4 million worth of beef and beef products to Colombia and Peru.
http://www.meatnews.com/index.cfm?fu...e&artNum=12879



In what way, when there is international resistance to cloned meat products?



Actually, meat prices are lower due to the glut of beef and chicken on the market. Again, please see the first article I quoted regarding Tyson's profits falling.

The bottom line... the safety of cloned meat is still in question.

The nonprofit advocacy group the Center for Food Safety in Washington, D.C., cited a number of health and safety problems related to cloned livestock that the group says the agency has not properly addressed.

People eating cloned meat would be exposed to higher amounts of animal hormones, related to the cloning process, the group says.

The animals themselves would suffer from the high incidence of disease and birth defects currently recorded in cloned animals.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...ed-meat_2.html

And this from a news release I received fromThe Center for Food Safety:
“When they deny us mandatory labels, they don’t just deny us the right to choose,” said Andrew Kimbrell, executive director of the Center for Food Safety.

“They also deny our health professionals the ability to trace potential toxic or allergic reactions to this food,” Kimbrell said. “It’s bad enough they’re making us guinea pigs. But when we have health effects, we won’t be able to trace it.”

I don't choose to be the FDA's guinea pig. Do you?
My Doctorate in Molecular Genetics and Medicine from the University of California, San Diego and San Diego State University is enough for you to have to establish my credibility on the subject.

Moreover, my published papers on PubMed and Entrez in human disease as well as my creditials husband's Doctorate of Veterinary Medicine is enough of a reference for you to justify what we both know in the field.

What is the actual physical protocol to isolating cells, growing them, enucleating embryos and combining the two items through electroporation?

Tell me what serum you use? Tell me what antibotics, if any, you use? How does one grow bovine fibroblasts and obtain the nuclei?

I did not spend an excessive amount of time in graduate school to justify anything to you or anyone for that matter.

Then, it is pretty bold for the South Koreans to say anything regarding cloning since they said they cloned the first human embryos and later found out they defrauded the scientific community...

Yeah, the US really has a glut of meat products... Okey... So why does it cost so much at the grocery store? And don't say it's because it's all about taxes...

Besides the Seattle Times and the Seattle PI are piss poor in their scientific astuteness. I live here, they barely understand the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center, much less Univeristy of Washington's research. I wouldn't trust the paper nor the ink that Seattle Times or PI prints in regard to science. And I will be more than happy to forward your email to my Prinicipal Investigator who can share all his views about the quality of scientific news coming out of Seattle. No one would say it. But in 10 years, that will all change since Paul Allen is interested in it...

I could care less what those other countries you listed think about the US products. We aren't starving... And our safety and efficacy to obtain our animal products is a much better than all their veterinary protocols and they know it. We block our exports of foodstuff, you will see WWIII or terrorist actions, whatever. Folks get pissed if not fed.

The Parker Ranch in Hawaii has to export their calves for veal. But let them stop... Let me know what happens when they do...

I myself am a ovo-lacto-vegetarian. I don't like the taste of meat. My husband loves it. And if he wants it, I will get it for him.

But lack of B12 vitamin causes psychiatric neurological problems... Maybe that's what you are suffering from--delusions.
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