[/B]I thought the point of this thread was the assertion that there was some animosity between BGLO's and APO/GSS because NPHC orgs perceived them as imitating.[/B]
The imitating part is the part that is being interjected as the answer to the initial question, "Why the animosity. Not initiated as part of the topic. And that is the condescending that we all have experienced in some way or fashion, even though you may not have meant to be. It's the assumption of imitation. This comes from believing that your surroundings is the beginning of justifying everything in its path. Not
I sincerely doubt your history and official traditions have anything to do with stepping, branding (yuck- but that is another topic altogether), etc.
How far would you like to go back. Is stepping apart of anybody's official history. It is official when you bring it to the chapter level. But I never heard of these items being written down anywhere period. If what you been doing is, what you been doing for over period of years as to establish an official tradition, what says it's not an official tradition. Nationally there are traditions that are similar throughout the organization, however there are things that each chapter does, that set itself apart from the other chapters. This is no different than that.
Conflicts like these are never about the FACTS only the PERCEPTIONS.
Why do you think that the condescending situations are only perceptions? If we give you examples of situations they are real to us. If the brothers are being checked because of attire they choose to where,
Or if a group of individuals in the NPHC is clowning on a single frat as to attempt to degrade and disrepect his organization, I would definitely say there is a problem here.
The point was this is not a national problem and exclusive to those campuses where BGLO's have a negative perception regarding the behavior of APO and GSS.
That is a constant. But if it is happening from campus to campus around the United States, I would consider in a national problem.
What is the point of in one breath touting the diversityof your organization and in the next taking it to the level of we are a faction all our own within the org?
The point is, we are who we want to be, and in some cases "have" to be in order to exist in a world where there is strong presence on what is perceive to be what a fraternity should be. (As stated by the large fraternities in the culture) If you have other organizations stating that your organizations is not a real organization (not to us, but individuals around the very campus your were your recruiting, "locally") then you become innovative. And soon your innovations become your traditions. Every organization has walked down that road.
The examples you gave do not explain away the divisiveness of that position. They seek to justify it. Saying although we have been explaining why we act so differently from chapter to chapter in our great diversity, we also think it is okay that we mimic the separatism that can be found throughout society all at the same time.
No, you are just saying that you do not agree with the explanation. We have became ourselves, in the way we have developed to be for over thirty years. We've been a several campuses for over or near fifty years. Our culture surrounding did influence us to become a stronger individual organization outside the circle of the immediate org. Wherever you have a large contingency of one aspect of people they will group. Because all the chapters of the 25/52 family have similar ways, ways that fit who they are. Society will always be separated into likes and dislikes. That's just reality. I'm not going to act a certain way just so I can bring the principle of this great organization to my people. We are attracting the same people who you want to attract. So we are bringing individuals to an organization that love it they way they should.
Your examples exemplify the fact that the US is still a divided society where Black people and white people live their lives separately. Are you saying, yeah, that's true and we exhibit that same de facto segregation in our fraternity, too?
If you want to take it that way, then fine. You have forceful segregation and you have a natural one. Ours is natural. I'm not saying that it is wrong or right. That doesn't matter. What matters is the attraction of the entire organization brings in people from all walks of life. Even when they could have wanted to join a NPHC organization. Side by Side exist. I know you know people that talk differently when they are in
The presence of their homie's, and you know that when you ar in front of an interviewer you are not going to say the same things at home. The brothers of Ay-Phi-Que become Alpha Phi Omega when they need to
Coexist, and they become Ay-Phi-Que when they need to be brothers!
Wassup Rainman! I think they are getting it.
The dissagreement comes when they attempt to go to the beginning when we first made the decision to join this organization. That is actually not worth discussing today, because it is too old to change. I met a brother at the convention who pledged at Howard University in 1951. Strolling didn't beginning until the 1990's, but what is it when NHPC groups don't think we should be stepping, handsign or doing calls. Orginallity? Originality can beginning anywhere. From the smallest change to the largest.
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