[jon1856]

N2;
There are several "track records" to bear in mind.
1) In this group, in every single "Hazing" thread, we have found several problems with the term alone. Not only do we have our own POV/IMHO of what it is and what it is not, but we also perceive everyone else's POV/IMHO differently.
2) As also shown, in every single "Hazing" thread, the laws, policies, rules, regulations, definitions are different everywhere and in many if not all too many cases poorly written and defined. And/or perceived differently by all the different paties involved.
3) As shown not only here but in other groups, "Hazing" has closed many chapters in the past two months alone.
4) There are great chapters that "haze" and there are great chapters that do not and both may seem to do well. Then, of course, there are chapters in both camps (as well as in the middle ground ) that are not great, and fail. And no matter which camp they were in, when they fail, they not only fail themselves, they fail their group and the rest of the GLO's.
5) Bear in mind that RM covers a great deal more than "hazing" and poor RM and leadership/management in general causes 'problems' of their own.

I am sure that one could add a few more items to the above.

As for my point, I trying not to make one just trying to summarize what has been said here over and over again.

And, if you have not read any of the rest of the threads I do offer self-disclosure: My chapter lost its charter due in part to "hazing" and general stupidity. Which would fall into part three above: Great chapters which lose their way, lose their ID, their goals, lose their ties, their meaning,their leadership et al and fail.

And BTB N2, I went back to your posts in 2001 and read them.
This was rather interesting:"
Lil_G,

Because I am not free to discuss the issues that I have here in public. The anonymity allows the free (or somewhat freely) open discussion. The public discussion of anything that my chapter does in our pledge period is strictly prohibited. The bottom line is the fact that you want to know my e-mail address. What possible reason could you, or anyone else, have to know that?

I have no desire to have a private conversation with anyone outside of my Brothers on the subject of this board. The risk is simply too large."
Interesting because you had posted just prior that you HAD talked ("exchanged notes") to someone outside of your group about hazing and pledging.
And AFAIK, in PM's e-mail address are not given out.

And much more to the point of this group, between 2001 and 2006, the world has changed a bit. As I indicated above, problems of all sorts have grown.