[Kevin]

Guys, this is a college football thread. I don't see how the potential offensiveness of this term has much to do with anything in this thread unless you want to talk about the NCAA's stance on indian/native american mascots which is ridiculous. A local D-II school just played their last game as the "Redmen" which they had been called for 81 years. The funny thing is that the school is in the same town as the Cherokee Nation's capitol, and it was the NCAA, not the Cherokee nation which forced/asked for this change.

The unfortunate Native American mascots out of football movement began in earnest in Oklahoma as they did away with the "Little Red" mascot. Little Red was usually a native American/indian student who dressed up in full indian regalia and performed a lot of native american/indian dances and such to cheer on the football team -- a pretty cool tradition IMHO, a lot better than the wagon. My brother used to date the daughter of a former Little Red, and my father was good friends with another in law school.