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Originally Posted by SydneyK
If I were active in an org that hazed, and I thought that our org was better BECAUSE of the hazing, I'd wonder what's wrong with my org. Seriously.
I think I can understand where you're coming from, but it sounds like you're selling your fraternity short. If the fact that you haze improves your fraternity, then your fraternity needs some help. By that, I don't mean you need help in learning how to phase out hazing; I mean, you need help in selecting the right men, in cultivating the ideals shared by your founders, in building bonds based on mutual respect (and not on things like how well you clean the bathroom), etc...
Maybe I'm misreading your posts, but if I were a pledge in your org, and saw that you believed that because you can haze me our org is better than others, I'd think you wanted to be in a group only to exert your power over others instead of wanting to be there because of the friendships, networking, etc., involved.
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Trying to explain things to you people is about like arguing with a brick wall.
Please explain to me how making pledges wear nice clothes, making them get to know every member on a personal level, making them learn fraternity knowledge, making them study, making them respect their house, and putting them in situations where they must learn to depend on their pledge and build some close bonds/trust is a BAD THING?? I really don't know of any other ways that I can put any of this. I'm beginning to think you have the reasoning skills of a 3 year old.
I, at no point, said anything remotely close to "our group is better than others because we haze." I said that the type of things that we do make our chapter stronger as a whole. Our pledges learn to respect and trust each other, respect the house/fraternity, and act present themselves like gentleman. I'm glad though that you felt the need to take the fact that we make our pledges clean the house as one of the points for your response, totally disregarding every other thing that I said we do. Even non-hazing houses that I know of have their pledges clean....not a big deal at all. They are pledges...pledges clean the house. I know of no other house that doesn't do this. SAE at Texas is a very powerful well known chapter in our organization......I can promise you we don't sign guys whose sole purpose in joining is to haze pledges after a year.