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Originally Posted by DST_philoso4
well perhaps that is your experience, but the fact that NATIONAL GUIDELINES now state 2.5, when they used to state 3.0 or better means as a whole criteria for admission are being reduced. And let's speak on AKA, while I do not, nor do I claim to know what's going on within the org, I do know several members both grad and undergrad. I know of more than 10 ppl who have come through grad chapters from 2002-06, and for each, they were all voted on and decided prior to ever meeting members of the chapter. For my girl who was initiated in '02, she needed one letter from a person who had been active in the chapter for so many years, and based solely on that person's word, and her transcript, received 98% of the vote. one of the others, who is '06, needed 3 letters from members within the chapter and was voted in at nearly the same rate as the former. Then, I know people who came in "legacy" and did not have to meet "approval" of the chapter at all, only needed a 2.5, and no letter. And how many ppl do you think are going to pull for their "girl" or goddaughter, neighbor's daughter, niece, family friend etc. to get in based solely on their relationship and NOT the person's credentials or ability to contribute to the organization?! SO, I said all of this to say, that "not allowing people to submit apps" is not necessarily a way to ensure higher quality candidates. And for those in undergrad who do have to submit apps, there are still ways [legacy] they can get around more stringent chapter requirements if they meet national requirements! The way to make it even more competitive, is to up the annie from the from the beginning, that way, you won't even have to be bothered with those that fall below what you'd like to take, for instance, if our gpas were 3.0, then those several candidates who lie between 2.5 and 2.999 would not be able to submit, so time we would otherwise waste sifting through the files either reviewing these, or looking for them to "throw them out" would not be so great, and that is more time spent looking at the more qualified candidates who we'd truly consider choosing. And of all of the people who I know who have come in recently, they have had varying gpa's ranging from 2.5 - 3.2 [nothing extraordinary]. NO organization can claim to not have these problems, anyone who says otherwise is dreaming! I can name SEVERAL people from EVERY organization who are less than desirable! and I am VERY well travelled, so I figure, I have met probably not even 1% of everyone who is in every org, SO if based on that very small amount of ppl I've met, if I've come across SO MANY ppl within every org who are....well as I think not what I feel is a proper representation, then I'm sure there are more, so while they may not be the rule I CAN ASSURE YOU they are NOT the exception either! I can say without hesitation there are more of these people walking around now [per capita, not just in numbers I understand the orgs are all much larger now than they were], than there were 20+ years ago!
you've further proven my point, the caliber of people accepted is not a general rule, they up the requirements because they can, to kind of deter "undesirables" from applying, they don't drop the entry requirements, that would be counterproductive! And comparing Chicago to Harvard, that's shaky, while Harvard may take more in number, they receive FAR more apps than Chicago. and their acceptance rate per capita [11%] is lower than that of Chicago [15%]. In addition, I did not state their "lsat requirements" I stated the median lsat scores for those who were accepted, there's a difference! I stated that to say, that while the pool of candidates is getting larger, the entry requirements are getting more and more exclusive, because there is a larger pool from which to choose, and they can be more selective. While this is happening with law schools, I fail to see it happening now. I look at older sororitiess/frats and see basically ALL members going on to acquire professional/graduate degrees and being positively contributary to society, while it still goes on today, you see SO MANY more than before NOT graduating, wreaking havoc etc. and SO MANY who do not have "high moral and ethical standards" [and we'll just leave it at that, I think you all get my point], everyone on lines are NOT the top 5% of their classes anymore, while there are people in every org who are these things there are SO MANY who are not, mediocrity has become the rule! while looking at law school we see class ranks increasing!
Again, I totally agree that many will be BGLO members, but if you take a "slice" of the other pie, you will find SO MANY who are in that too, where as before it didn't seem to occur with such great frequency. The law of large numbers states the more you have, the more are likely to fall in any given group, and sadly, this includes the negative ones as well!
I fully understand why more ppl are entering law school! Bottom line is, law schools see this as a way to become more competitive and make their selection criteria even more rigorous, whle BGLO's, when AA enrollment rose, felt the need to drop national requirements! While there are several OUTSTANDING women I know who are AKA's, there are just as many average! Again, I say this for ALL organizations. EVERY AKA IS NOT STELLAR, every DELTA is not stellar, there is NO organization full of stellar women .....heck EVERY PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS NOT STELLAR!! [present company included] and if there is someone who has to get the majority of the COUNTRY [millions of ppl] to vote him in [i know, controversy, but we won't even discuss it] and .....well we see the result, and that is the most ELITE/EXCLUSIVE/DIFFICULT position IN THE COUNTRY there is to acquire [i.e., only .00000001% of all applicants get it] 1/1 not 120, not 300 JUST ONE....then what makes u think that a chapter majority vote [a couple hundred at best] will elicit a different result? Many times, it's just because you don't ever really know a person, and something may "come out" you hadn't previously seen. I'm not saying AKA shoots for the low candidates, I'm just saying sh!t happens! I can say this about EVERY BGLO.
1. Every chapter is not competitive [at least not where I'm from]
2. Everyone doesn't set standards higher than nationals
3. Every chapter is not full of peple with the highest moral and ethical standards
4. Every chapter has people that make them shake their heads
5. Every chapter does not consist only of people who are campus/community leaders
6. Every chapter has mediocre members
7. Every chapter has someone who doesn't have a 3.0 or better
8. Every chapter is not sisterly/brotherly
9. Every chapter has low caliber candidates
10. Every chapter has faults....because there is no perfect person, there CAN BE no perfect chapter!
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