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Originally Posted by EE-BO
Hi Jon,
......As for the last part of your post, you indicate your class came "very close to the edge" in the context of today's laws. Did you guys have pledge meetings? Did you have to take lore tests? Did you have house cleaning duties of common areas (i.e. not individual's rooms)? Did you have to collect signatures? These are all technically against the law and considered hazing. Yet I have never seen the Greek House that does not do these things.........
PS- Good list Lanesig.
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EE-BO;
We are very much on the same page. And you asked me several very good questions, which I will attempt to answer. Please keep in mind two items: I, much like you, am not there now (nor is my house) and looking at activies done years ago in todays context.
This is UPS's and WA State current hazing policy:
http://www.ups.edu/x4812.xml
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=28B.10.900
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=28B.10.901
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=28B.10.902
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=28B.10.903
http://www.ups.edu/documents/GreekExclusiveUse.pdf
We did have meetings,tests, and cleaning of common areas. We did dinner set up. We did not collect signatures. Years ago, when I was visiting, a pledge did ask to interview me for a pledge progect.
However, the way I read UPS hazing policies, which I find a bit vage, those kinds of activies do not break them. In fact, as a active brother, I helped pledges with some of their duties. A positive bonding experience.
As for Drugs & Alcohol, the problems were not part of the pledgeship program, just the house in general and as you point out a general problem everywhere.
And for the most part I agree with the rest of your thoughts.
You should read the Cornell site I posted-very informative site.