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I think the whole point of the thread is getting lost here.
First off, I will say that SAE at Texas has a pretty good record overall. This is not a house I would single out as a serious hazing problem for the general public to concern itself over. I would be eager for someone to find me any good Greek House that turns out strong and aggressive leaders that has a spotless record. It doesn't exist.
The value of this thread is to talk about what hazing did or did not do for you in your particular situation- it is not about pointing fingers and asking people to expose personal details about their houses to prove a point.
Fraternities mean very different things to individual members, and in general depending on the school one attends.
The question is about what hazing you endured and what value you think it had. This is a good thing to think about and discuss. But get beyond that and it just becomes pointless finger-pointing- and perhaps jealousy directed at schools with old money Greek systems.
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