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Originally Posted by Rudey
You're serious? I think Chicago is the only clean big city out there.
NY is great. In fact it's probably the best city filled with the best and brightest. But it's definitely not clean. The good news is that the high rents are forcing the poor people into NJ so the crowds in bars will undoubtedly become much cooler.
-Rudey
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The cleanliness of any large city is so relative. NYC has done an excellent job of cleaning up and staying clean. (thank you Rudy - as in Guilliani)
The poor in NYC are still there and don't go to the clubs/bars you'd go to, rather the neighborhood bars/bodegas. They're less likely to move to NJ than the moderately affluent partly because the cost of commuting. (subway ride to lower Manhattan from Rockaway or Bronx is the same ~$1.50 now I think~as from Uptown, whereas the NJ to NY commute is many times that.)
But I think you were just trying to provoke some controversey, Rudey. And, you got me to bite! ;-)