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Originally Posted by ktsnake
traditional programs which probably involved hazing in some way, shape, or form.
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I disagree. Unless you are going with the definition where asking anything of anyone - pledge or active - is considered hazing.
A lot of these came into being as CYA measures due to the 5% of chapters who truly hazed (regardless of the 95% who didn't).
Or, they came into being because members wanted to learn throughout their Greek experience, not just have everything squeezed into 6 weeks.
I'm not trying to hijack your thread, but saying traditional = hazing in the Greek world is the kind of stereotype we fight against daily. Pledging is traditional. Hazing is not. The two are not synonymous.