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Old 06-25-2006, 10:53 PM
shinerbock shinerbock is offline
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Well I'm not sure what you don't think I've backed up in regards to hazing. I'm having some trouble following both your posting style and your logic, so bear with me...If you'll tell me your contentions with my comments regarding hazing, I'll gladly respond, but at the moment I'm unsure as to what you are referring to. Regarding me ignoring your questions about our pledges and rushees, once again I'm not sure what you are questioning. I feel confident that our rushees are rushing our chapter much more than they are the national organization, as shown by their distaste regarding the operations of some of the other chapters they visit. I get the feeling that you're accusing us of doing some sort of disservice to them, which I don't understand. Also, I question the amount of time you've spent with "southern brothers." Now, your comments may be realistic if those schools were smaller, but at large southern universities the greek systems tend to share similar interests and ideals. I also have to take issue with your comments regarding southern and Christian heritage. That is something the large majority of fraternities on campuses in the south take pride in. You are right, much of it is "non-PC." For instance, using the term "Christian ideals" isn't PC, as everyone isn't a Christian. However, "religious ideals" means little to us. I don't value all religions the same, so it makes little sense for us to accept them all as valid. If this is too 1800's for you, I'm sorry, but our ideals and beliefs don't change with society. To me, right and wrong are generally the same today as they were 100 years ago. Thus, I think our fraternity's foundation should remain intact, regardless of who decides they are offended by what we believe in. Of course groups are not isolated from society, but the purpose of a private isn't to simply replicate society. We are different, and we are often seperate in our actions and our beliefs...Now, in regards to us picking and choosing from the school and nationals, I don't see this to be the case. We use nationals for insurance, and that is it. My comment regarding our land lease was that I don't know how the university would treat a lease to a non national fraternity (there are none on my campus). Nationals does not benefit us financially other than providing insurance, if anything we benefit them. We constantly raise more money than the large majority of chapters for our philanthropy, and sessions at the conventions we pay for are often taught by our officers. To be clear, our chapter is not like what you believe a fraternity is. We are loyal to one another and our alma mater, but we also value some things more than the fraternity. If there is a seperation between us and HQ, it is them leaving the core values of our fraternity, not us leaving them. As always, please note your questions and I will respond.
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