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Originally posted by SKEEphistAKAte
Right and churches and spiritual leaders (ie organizations for the purpose of argument) are always 'keeping in line with christian principles? There is never any corruption in churches, huh? I could run down a list of common problems in churches that aren't in line with christian principles but that does not discredit the fact those churches, ie organizatios, were founded on christian principles.
You are sounding like a "double minded man" right now. Apply those same standards thats you are applying to "the greek system" to your beloved church.
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First off, the church comment was wrong, not only to me, but as other people have said it is offensive. And whoever said let the real church say "Amen" What is your definition of a real church? Is it one in which everyone is accepted and no one is ever corrected? Is it one in which everyone minds their own business while the person next to them is going to hell because no one cares enough to help minister them out of sin? Oh no, I bet its one in which the church gives out tons of money to the community, preaches prosperity, that everyone will get into heaven and that fornication is okay as long as you are in loooooove.
Anyway back to this statement. There are many churches out there that are corrupt and when the corruption is exposed they generally fall. Personally, I have not been to a church that has had this problem, BUT I will say this... If I join a church and I notice the pastor coming out the store with a bunch of 40s in his hand, the first lady having sex with every other man in the church, a homosexual deacon and an organist who wasn't even saved, I would leave in a heartbeat. I love my church but I love God more. I am not going to let someone who cannot lead themselves to salvation, help guide my mission.
And why is it that people avoid issues by pointing the finger elsewhere? What is the point of saying that the church has the same issues? Does that divert from the things already mentioned on this thread about scripture in relation to BGLOs? I am to apply my thinking to the church and do what with it?
For the sake of argument, I will go with your statement that it does not change the foundation in Christianity and I will reply with this: Matthew 5:13 states "You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men. " What this tells me is that just because something starts out in Christianity doesn't mean it remains so. If it loses those Christian principles that it so proudly claims... what good is it for the Kingdom? So now since you commented that it doesn't change the foundations, the question becomes are the principles still valued?
ETA: My last question is in no way meant to be offensive, but since it was brought up, I'd figured I'd ask.
ETA2: The last question is a simple yes or no