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Originally posted by DeltAlum
You didn't. Coastalpike did. See the last post on the first page of this thread.
There were a couple of comments in your reply that don't fit into what I would consider respectful, though. But for the sake of keeping the discussion alive, I'll overlook them.
I also agree that 7 years seems overly harsh -- even if the allegations were true.
It does seem that with two other Greeks, two advisors and the University people that the investigative agency should have been fair -- but not knowing the dynamics between the on-campus GLOs, it's hard to tell really.
In his recent post, Coastalpike did say something that all of us need to think about -- whether there was unfairness in the reporting or not, the tendency for parents to sue universities and the outside political pressures on administrations can sometimes make the school rush to judgement or over-react. Greek Letter Organizations need to understand that the letters on our houses can often become targets. We are, unfortunately, paying for years of built up reputations. The undergraduates of today are under a microscope.
I'm anxious to hear more about the investigation.
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This is my first post on the chat so let me give you some back ground without boring you to death. I am a former president of a KA chapter, so I have delt with these kind of situations first hand. I also have been working in the prehospital care field on an ambulance for 4 years and have seen first hand the effects of alcohol on my peers.
Let me say the Delt Alum has some very valid points and what everyone has to remember is that there are a lot of different people in play here.
You have the GA or Greek Advisor who has to answer to the university (and by the way, at least at my school received daily criminal reports form both the Campus Police and Off Campus Cops.) Yes I said the off campus cops. You must be wondering how. Well any time a police officer would see Greek Letters or find out this was a group of a Campus Greek org they would notify the GA. It sucks but it is the world we "greeks" choose to associate ourselves with.
You have the UNIVERSITY that is over the GA and has to look out for the Campus Risk Management. This means taking action on the "oganization as a whole". This is the biggest and hardest part that greek members do not understand. If you are wearing letters and only YOU get in a fight you need to remember that you are putting you chapter at risk. This is a concept that I preached to my chapter for months.
I will just mention the other people that are involved
Hospital - Required to report Alcohol situation if
1. Underage or 2. Find out a hint of hazing and with greeks it is in everyone's mind
Cops - Are going to investigate intill they are blue in the face if the smell out hazing or alcohol related incidents within the greek community
Okay lets get to the situation.
You have two members of an "Greek" org that went to a couple of parties and drank to much. Drank so much that they drank themselves into a Alcohol Induced Coma. That a lot of alcohol fellas. Were is the fraternal bond looking out for these guys. They must have had signs. Ok. I heard thay had PEC (Pre existing conditions). Did anyone know about these conditions and if yes where was the "brother help a brother"
Finally,
Try to step out of the box and look at this from the perspective of the kids mother or the GA at your school
Fraternally
KA ALUM
Lets see how much I stirr up with this one