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Originally posted by Rudey
Please don't think I'm directing this only at you.
People don't understand McCain or Lieberman. McCain is very far from liberal. Very. If anyone wants to see to what extent, I even provided graphic representations in a previous thread.
And George Bush is not a neo-conservative. McCain is also not a neo-conservative. They both have neo-conservative backers though and if you think the Bush administration follows neo-conservative ideals then you better understand that McCain would as well. The neocons who supported John McCain in 2000 were Robert Kagan and Bill Kristol and the neocons who supported George W. Bush in 2000 were Paul Wolfowitz, Douglas Feith, and Richard Perle. According to Daniel Drezner, "Both groups had the same overarching policy goals, but there was one important difference -- the McCain supporters understood that democracy promotion in the Middle East and elsewhere was not something that could be done on the cheap. In the case of Iraq, for example, the McCain neocons believed that statebuilding in Iraq would require a heavy force, while the Bush supporters bought into Rumsfeld's idea that shock, awe, and a light force could do the trick."
In general though, a neo-conservative is considered the liberal branch (as opposed to paleo-conservatives). Actually some people consider neo-conservatives to be a leftist group. Others consider the term "Neo-con" to be another dirty word for "Jew".
The part that upsets me is that people that vote, vote on an image in their mindset and not on what the candidate really does. But then again, I want Doritos in shiny bags, organic food that costs twice as much as regular food but tastes the same, and to marry a wife with dark hair for no reason.
-Rudey
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Oh, I definitely agree that McCain is far from being liberal. He is very conservative and his record in Congress demonstrates this. But, if I had to choose between Bush and McCain, I'd choose McCain hands down. In 2008, if McCain were to get the Republican Presidential bid, I would most likely vote Democratic (since I find Democrats are more in line with my values) unless the Democratic candidate was truly, truly, truly horrible.
I get you with the Lieberman thing. I think he's been unfairly criticized by many people for being non-partisan in his voting. I think it's a problem of both parties - we encourage our senators (and citizens) to be free-thinkers but then create a backlash against the senators who don't vote with the rest of their party. If you look at his voting record in Congress, Lieberman is very liberal. He may not stand up for the Democratic party as much as I would like but he votes with the members of his party the majority of the time.