[Rudey]

Umm perhaps you should look at the skin color of Israelis just a tad bit closer. There are even darker shades in the Israeli population than the Arab population. The European roots of Israelis are definitely in the minority and the current ruling party is the darker party.

Anyway, I agree, this whole bullshit about the crusades needs to stop. Given that Islam spread through the sword into so many areas of the world and is trying to do the same with guns now, you have to be an absolute moron to bring up the crusades over and over. Heck why don't we discuss Mohammed and how he gained control over Mecca? Here's a hint: He didn't do it by offering brownies to the locals. The same Mecca is used to cut off body parts to this day. And the Armenian genocide of millions by the Ottomans just a few decades ago is quite the problem for Turkey as it wants to join the EU. The crusades are the last thing anyone has the right to bring up.

This guy is the Muslim version of Reverand Hatchett.

-Rudey

Originally posted by lifesaver
Good lord, this shouldn’t be this easy.

BTW, if you’re gonna play on GC in a debate, PLEASE actually debate what is posted instead of just cut and paste PR from the falafel vendor.

A few points from above.

If Arab Muslims EVER want their grievances to be taken seriously in the west, ya'll gotta stop with the crusades shit. SERIOUSLY, for Allah’s sake, it was 1,500 YEARS ago. I’ve pissed off some crazy bitches in my time, but NONE had a memory that lasted that long. YOU didn’t know anyone who died, and in the end, ya'll pretty much kept the middle east. Ottoman Empire anyone? So you’re bitching about some shit ya'll won anyway. LET-IT-GO. You're beating a dead camel.

Nobody on here said anything on here about westerners hating the Christian Africans. So thanks for bringing up a non-point. I think its the Arab Muslims that have the beef with Christians in their backyard. Sudan, anyone?

You also need to stop that shit with the "Islam united the tribes." Islam didn’t do that. Oil did. Ya'll were butchering the hell outta each other till 80 years ago when BP threw a spigot in the sand and 'up from the ground came a bubbling crude...oil that is....Texas tea." It would still be heads rollin in the sand over there if it wasn’t for oil. To pretend otherwise is just foolishness. It's not like the Qur'an taught anyone how to be a successful bizillionaire. Again, Oil did that. Oil civilized the mid-east. It provided the intra-arab stability no religion EVER could. Not Islam, Not Judaism, Not Christianity.

And lets not forget that the US has dropped the bombs on a few CHRISTIANS who were whopping the hell up on Muslims. Bosnia, anyone? Where were the mujahideen in 1995 when Scott O'Grady had to bail out of his plane over Bosnia defending the no-fly zone to protect the Muslims? Where were all those brave Islamic Freedom Fighters (other than at hate camp) when he was living in the woods for 5 days eating roaches and stuff? Yeah, we as the US stepped in cause the Arab Islamic countries couldn’t get their shit together to help their own people... as usual.

Your final point goes back to the first post I made, which is that Arab Muslims just don’t get it. You all think that just because US foreign policy says one thing, we all agree with it. I don’t know what the Bedouins are teaching in the tents at night, but its wrong. As an American, I think our Israeli foreign policy is FOOLISH AND STUPID, and so do many people ( I like to believe in the Nixon, ‘silent majority’). I hate that we support Israel. But I'll let you in on a secret. The reason why we do it is two fold. (Let me announce publicly, that I don’t support or agree with these reasons, but they are obvious to even the most causal observer). First, they look like us. It’s a natural extension of the inherent racism that exists in America. If it the Jews were the brown ones and the Palestinians were white, we'd be selling tanks and planes to a whole 'nother group. And second, we like the Jews because they have money and like to buy shit from us Americans. They buy all kinds of shit. F-14's, Double Espresso Caramel Macchiato’s at Starbucks, and baby tees at the Gap. If the situation was reversed It wouldn’t be the Palestinians wearing dynamite belts and climbing onto metro busses. The Jews in Israel buy our shit and we as greedy Americans love that shit. It’s like CRACK for us and we can’t say no. Want the US Support, get jobs and buy our stuff. We go where the cash is. We’re whores like that. Give us an emerging market and we’re there. Example: Vietnam. They’ll be digging up US servicemen from their unmarked graves to put in a Wal-Mart in a matter of months.. Its just how we are.

I don’t think anyone (especially on GC) hates Islam. But to me it seems like most Arab Muslim extremists hate themselves. That they aren’t the world leaders anymore. Again, from an earlier post, it just looks and smells a lot like jealousy to me.