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Originally posted by SirHornyToad
Let's think about it this way though, at least at our campus there are at least 2-3 primarily freshman dorms, now if I want to party any night of the week my first spot to go wouldnt be my chapter house, why? because people live here, people are studying, sleep, working whatever, you head over to the main freshman dorm and I promise you'll find a party in 10 seconds flat. Now considering that most of our pledge classes are primarily freshman, there are usually at least some juniors mixed in, or older freshman that did military service etc, so they end up haveing a pledge brother who will buy them booze every once in a while. Then factor in that probably half of the freshman are going to have fake IDs and wether they are pledging with them or not they will have friends with fake IDs who would be willing to buy them booze every once in a while. Throw in some transfer students that tend to make friends with freshman as they come in to orientation together and you get a few more resources. Now consider the fact that most GLOs tend to recruit active students on campus, IE sports players, student govt, student news paper, people in clubs etc, it's very much in the realm of possabilities for a freshie to meet some cool upperclassmen that are ok buying them booze, not to mention teammates etc. The bottom line is that there are always those nieve, freshman or sophmores or juniors that get in over thier head with the partying, much of which happens in dorm rooms and other off campus locations such as apts, dive bars etc. It's not hard to find a party if you want to, I think that taking a short period of time and making it off limits inorder to assure that they do not compromise their studies/pledging experiance is well worth it.
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This is a good point. I still do not agree that a dry pledge period is necessarily the answer, but I do see how pledges might get in over their heads in partying without the help of the brotherhood.
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Originally posted by ZZ-kai-
Actually, you cannot say that, because 1. it's not your thread, and 2. it's his thread, so whatever he say's in his thread, is on topic.
Secondly, you state it's OPTIONAL but ENCOURAGED....if that doesn't sound like hazing, nothing does. I can only imagine seeing your President saying that in your pledge ceremony, when your sisters are dressed as demons, hopping around them in their horned-hooded garments with white skull face paint on, underneath a black light - OPTIONAL but ENCOURAGED....yeah, I bet none of them feel intimidated to wear it, right?
Of course, it couldn't be hazing because it's YOUR group, right?
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It was a joke between DSTCHAOS and I, lighten up. Not to mention that "it's his thread, so whatever he says in his thread is on topic" is incredibly poor logic.
No, it's not hazing at all. New members are given a new member pin at their pledging ceremony which they can wear with a dressy outfit, at any time where the members would normally be wearing their badges. Phi Mu also has a new member ribbon which may be worn on a daily basis to class, work, etc. As we have seen in a recent thread on GreekChat, some campuses utilize these ribbons more than others. The ribbons are given with guidelines on where you may and may not wear them (ie, do not wear them to a bar or fraternity party), and girls MAY wear them every day if they choose. They are designed to indicate their status as a new member so they may show pride in the organization (remembering that they likely do not have very much other paraphenalia to denote their membership). If I were to see a new member without her ribbon on, she would not be chastized; I probably wouldn't even notice.
Your example is ridiculous and is nowhere near to the truth- it serves no purpose. It is not hazing because A. it follows my organization's official protocol and B. it is not a requirement for membership. This is how it works in the NPC.
MysticCat, I am with ThetaPam once again... the basic PREMISE of requiring a pledge to wear a pledge pin is harmless. And if a national organization has this requirement in their pledge program, I do not fault them for it. BUT you always have to consider what individual chapters will do to bastardize the rules and turn any tiny inch into a hazing mile. Requiring pledges to wear their pin in the shower, pin it to their underwear, humiliating them when they show up without it, etc... Granted, it's always a slippery slope. An idiot chapter can turn ANYTHING into hazing. But the pledge pin has definitely been used as a gateway in the past.