[gogoaphi]

Regarding Santa Clara ... I never would have used the word "underground" to describe the greek system there. It is true that the University does not recognize or otherwise support the system. It simply operates as its own organization. The University knows who we are and where we are at, but they aren't involved in operations. We respect and abide by their rules and wishes in terms of not using campus assets for chapter business, don't promote on campus, etc. The Panhellenic operates like a PH in most greek systems. Our advisor just isn't someone from the University. As for the men ... well, let's just say they are a little less structured. It occurs to me that most men like like it that way (especially at that age). We still have lots of tradition and events where other students from the university participate such as our philanthropy events. Alpha Phi's chapter at Santa Clara is one of the largest donor chapters in the country. So ... this is a highly functioning system that operates in a mutually respectful manner outside of the university. We don't have to go "underground" be all secretive about it or anything.

Does that help????