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Originally posted by preciousjeni
The people in this trial are talking about teaching evolution, but leaving room for students, if they so choose, to find other theories for themselves. Specifically, not teaching evolution as fact.
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I have having problems with the "evolutionary theory as fact" question... What is a "fact"? What you see is what you get? It is not "truth"--because "truth" as defined denotatively is "fact in accordance with reality..."
Here are the "facts" about evolutionary theory:
1) It uses science to measure and test it
2) There are 5 parts to it:
Evolution
3) And hypotheses can be developed and re-tested...
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Originally posted by preciousjeni
1) The Intelligent Design camp has non-Christian scientists claiming that something started the universe. So, while they are not Christians, they are not atheists.
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That is what the ID community wants to publically admit, but given where they started and how they started, I seriously doubt they would accept those with a different religious belief from puritanical evangelical Christianity...
Even if it has been 100% shown that all "modern human being life" started in Africa, they would MOVE that fact to the middle east in the middle of Iraq because that is the archeological location of what has been shown to thought of as the "Garden of Eden"...
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Originally posted by preciousjeni
2) What exactly is it about creation that is less scientific than evolution? Neither can be proven, while both can be studied starting with a hypothesis.
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Like I said before, can God be measured? Does He even want to be? You read what He did at the Tower of Babel... I know I am not trying to measure God with a certain degree of "error"--because "there is no error in God"... Y'all can do it if you want, but I am not...
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Originally posted by preciousjeni
3) Not all conservative Christians are of the Young Earth Creation belief. Some believe in Old Earth and stages of creation, with God creating the various parts instantly - but with each stage taking thousands, millions or billions of years.
*Personally, as a conservative Christian and minister, the method of creation doesn't change my theology. For me, the only piece that matters is that God spoke and things came forth. If he did it over 7 days, 7 years, 7,000 years, 7,000,000 years...I don't care. Genesis is in mythic history and therefore cannot be understood fully - if it could, we wouldn't be in this debate in the first place.
It's simply not worth the fight.
By the way, when Darwin wrote The Origin of Species, he assumed (and remarked on) Intelligent Design. He wasn't a Christian, however.
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I dunno? Some folks here are taking Genesis literally and that there is NO myth to it or myticism to it... I am still stuck on the "We cannot allow them to do that..." part in Genesis after when man built the Tower of Babel...
But that is why you actually have serious religious studies classes in seminary for advance degrees. Yes, you can apply the scientific process, i.e. hypothesis, experimental design, results, discussion and conclusions for studies from the Bible--in seminary for sure...
My problem is don't kids have a hard enough time for discernment these days without us adults bickering about what's being taught to them?
Hey, we need "TRAINED" theologians with us medical scientific researchers and physicians when a patient has lost all hope and is going down hill, but should we as scientists and doctors stop treating patient with different approved drugs upon review of their chart to enable miracles to happen for the betterment of humankind?
We cannot do that when our minds are asked to be tied down to ONLY what ONE religion says what is right, accurate and correct--that's tying our hands behind our backs...
That I find is very, very wrong...