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Senusret I 07-28-2007 12:52 PM

Expelled Members representing your GLO
 
In another thread, Zillini said:

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Originally Posted by Zillini (Post 1493011)
Even then there's really no way we can enforce this policy. I know of a situation once were a girl got her pin pulled for um ... er ... let's just say inappropriate behaviors. She continued to wear her letters and told people she was a member. Everyone was very upset because they didn't want to be associated with her at all. But what can you do? Break into her apartment and take everything with letters on it?


Is it against the law to put an ad in your campus paper announcing that Jane Doe or John Doe are no longer members of XYZ org?

In some NPHC orgs, they post their suspended, expelled, and revoked members on their national website.

33girl 07-28-2007 02:32 PM

I don't know if it's against the law or not, but I like the idea.

Plus, if they're misrepresenting themselves on campus as a member, I think having your IFC/Panhellenic rep state at the next meeting "Jane Jones was terminated from our sorority. She is no longer a member and we have been unable to stop her from misrepresenting herself as one." This is a bit of CYA too, as if Jane got in trouble for running a drug ring out of her dorm room and had sorority paraphernalia everywhere, it could come back on the sorority. Making it public record should help to distance the group from anything this person does.

RU OX Alum 07-28-2007 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1493055)
In another thread, Zillini said:




Is it against the law to put an ad in your campus paper announcing that Jane Doe or John Doe are no longer members of XYZ org?



I don't think it's illegal, but I think it is tacky. Besides, it's not a good feeling when that happens, it should be as quiet as possible. It's embarasing (sp?:confused: ) when that happens to your chapter, if I saw in ad in the school paper talking about it....hmm, no that would only lead to more drama, I would have to advise against that.

ETA: further:

If you suspend/expell or whatever you should have a damn good reason, not just because of some petty BS, that is what black balling is for, if you let someone in and then one or two semesters latter change your mind, you might as well write the word "douche" on your forehead with a sharpie, because that is a douche move, if ever I saw one. And I have. At least one. Besides, if you do it all the time, it just makes your chapter look petty. And who wants to be in a fraternity where pledging is a cake walk but then you might get thrown out afterwards for some random/ no good reason.

Senusret I 07-28-2007 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1493095)
I don't think it's illegal, but I think it is tacky. Besides, it's not a good feeling when that happens, it should be as quiet as possible. It's embarasing (sp?:confused: ) when that happens to your chapter, if I saw in ad in the school paper talking about it....hmm, no that would only lead to more drama, I would have to advise against that.

But what other options do you have when a person that has been expelled is still wearing letters and telling people she's a member?

You can't snatch the letters off her back.

You can't steal letters she bought with her own money. (Or his)

But you still have a responsibility to inform the community that he or she is not a member, lest they provide a false impression of the organization or chapter.

Tom Earp 07-28-2007 02:48 PM

Word will get around without posting in a publication soon enough!

This seems a bold and disgusting way to handle a situation.:rolleyes:

Drolefille 07-28-2007 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RU OX Alum (Post 1493095)
I don't think it's illegal, but I think it is tacky. Besides, it's not a good feeling when that happens, it should be as quiet as possible. It's embarasing (sp?:confused: ) when that happens to your chapter, if I saw in ad in the school paper talking about it....hmm, no that would only lead to more drama, I would have to advise against that.

ETA: further:

If you suspend/expell or whatever you should have a damn good reason, not just because of some petty BS, that is what black balling is for, if you let someone in and then one or two semesters latter change your mind, you might as well write the word "douche" on your forehead with a sharpie, because that is a douche move, if ever I saw one. And I have. At least one. Besides, if you do it all the time, it just makes your chapter look petty. And who wants to be in a fraternity where pledging is a cake walk but then you might get thrown out afterwards for some random/ no good reason.

Sororities, as a rule, don't blackball so that's not an option for us. And expulsions aren't done just because you don't like someone.

PeppyGPhiB 07-28-2007 06:59 PM

I would think word would get around that she had been kicked out of the organization, especially if it was for something scandalous!

Gamma Phi Beta mailed a letter out to all members when one of the girls on The Real World - Austin showed up in our letters. Turns out she used to be a member, but no longer was, and the sorority was worried about her conduct on the show. They wanted to reassure members that she was NOT a sister.

AGDee 07-28-2007 08:13 PM

I know of a chapter who used that as an excuse when a former new member posted some inappropriate pics of the chapter doing things on her Facebook. I pointed out to them that if they hadn't done the behaviors they were doing when the pictures were taken, it wouldn't be a problem!

I like 33girl's idea of letting Panhellenic know. They need to be notified to take the member off of the books anyway. I think, on most campuses, the pressure from the rest of the Greek community to stop it would be effective.

honeychile 07-28-2007 11:11 PM

I'm with 33girl and AGDee on this. Have an announcement made at the next NPC & IFC meetings, and let the Greek Community police their own. If said member gets into trouble, close ranks and refuse to accept outsiders' view that Greeks are bad.

Zillini 07-29-2007 06:59 AM

First off let me just say I'm surprised that part of a post of mine prompted a whole new thread. Wow, that was unexpected. I'm flattered. :)

Second, for anyone wondering all I will say is that you have to trust me that there was just cause for this girl to get her pin pulled. It was NOT a case of girls being petty or catty. She was given numerous chances to change her ways.

Finally, how did we handle it? We took the high road. We informed Student Life and Panhellenic privately that this person was no longer a member so they knew her actions did not reflect on our organization. Actives were told that if this person's name came up in conversation around campus they should simply say she is no longer a member, nothing more. If they ran into her, they should at least be polite.

As Tom Earp suggested, word did spread around campus. Of course not as quickly as some would have liked, but that's life. Eventually it became rather embarrassing for her to be seen as clinging to something she was no longer associated with. The actives on the other hand showed they had class by not bad mouthing her and high standards for whom they choose to associate with.

mccoyred 07-29-2007 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp (Post 1493103)
Word will get around without posting in a publication soon enough!

This seems a bold and disgusting way to handle a situation.:rolleyes:

It may seem bold and disgusting but it addresses a serious liability issue. Word may get around campus but what about those new to campus or those who lack a social life or even those not members of the campus community?

I am pleased with my orgs stance on providing the information on our national website. Believe me, better safe than sorry. Besides it is NOT and easy process to get someone expelled. It requires several layers of reviews and appeals, signatures and statements.

Jody 07-29-2007 08:48 AM

^^^^

It also serves as an internal motivation, as our organization lists the names also. Uhh, who wants to appear on blast on the world wide web? :o

honeychile 07-29-2007 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zillini (Post 1493352)
First off let me just say I'm surprised that part of a post of mine prompted a whole new thread. Wow, that was unexpected. I'm flattered. :)

Second, for anyone wondering all I will say is that you have to trust me that there was just cause for this girl to get her pin pulled. It was NOT a case of girls being petty or catty. She was given numerous chances to change her ways.

Finally, how did we handle it? We took the high road. We informed Student Life and Panhellenic privately that this person was no longer a member so they knew her actions did not reflect on our organization. Actives were told that if this person's name came up in conversation around campus they should simply say she is no longer a member, nothing more. If they ran into her, they should at least be polite.

Now that I think about it, I've seen this happen twice - once prior to my enrollment in college, the other time at another chapter. Both incidents were handled exactly as Zillini proposed, and it wasn't until the former sisters graduated that any of the other sisters knew what happened.

So, I can definitely state that this is a VERY successful method!

33girl 07-30-2007 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mccoyred (Post 1493357)
It may seem bold and disgusting but it addresses a serious liability issue. Word may get around campus but what about those new to campus or those who lack a social life or even those not members of the campus community?

I am pleased with my orgs stance on providing the information on our national website. Believe me, better safe than sorry. Besides it is NOT and easy process to get someone expelled. It requires several layers of reviews and appeals, signatures and statements.

While I was :eek: at this at first, the more I know about NPHC groups the more it makes sense, as you have people perping at ALL stages of life. That usually doesn't happen with NIC & NPC groups. (Knocking on wood, for safety's sake)

virgo921 07-30-2007 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Senusret I (Post 1493055)
In some NPHC orgs, they post their suspended, expelled, and revoked members on their national website.

This is an interesting question. I may be expanding the scope of the discussion but what about just plain ol' inactive members? They ARE members, just not in the loop about the current temperature of the organization.

They could hold court on the organization and mislead people. When you become inactive are there any directions given to you about speaking for the organization/chapter?


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