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James 02-22-2007 12:45 PM

Sword seized after man mistakes porn for rape
 
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James Van Iveren says he feels "stupid" after breaking into neighbor's apartment
• Neighbor says Van Iveren held him at sword-point, demanding proof he was alone
• Neighbor says he played part of the pornographic movie for police
• Van Iveren charged with criminal trespass, criminal damage, disorderly conduct

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/22/por...rss_topstories

James 02-22-2007 12:48 PM

I think they should make him fix the door and let him go . . oh and laugh about it.

UGAalum94 02-22-2007 12:53 PM

Who has a sword?

Drolefille 02-22-2007 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga (Post 1402260)
Who has a sword?

I want a sword. I wish I had one :(

/NOT in a Freudian way

shinerbock 02-22-2007 01:55 PM

Come on, if it really appears the guy was acting in good faith, he's a responsible citizen, not a criminal.

James 02-22-2007 01:56 PM

I agree. Although he should have to fix the door :)

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1402286)
Come on, if it really appears the guy was acting in good faith, he's a responsible citizen, not a criminal.


GeekyPenguin 02-22-2007 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock (Post 1402286)
Come on, if it really appears the guy was acting in good faith, he's a responsible citizen, not a criminal.

Totally agree. That county is notorious for overcharging crap and then pleading it so they can be "tough on crime" so I'm betting he'll end up pleading down to a disorderly. I think he should take it to trial if they don't dismiss and demand a jury trial.

Drolefille 02-22-2007 03:22 PM

Ok, in this situation, shouldn't the other owner really be the one who determines if charges are pressed or not? I mean, if he backs down and says, eh, whatever, would there still be charges or can the state press them on its own?

GeekyPenguin 02-22-2007 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille (Post 1402330)
Ok, in this situation, shouldn't the other owner really be the one who determines if charges are pressed or not? I mean, if he backs down and says, eh, whatever, would there still be charges or can the state press them on its own?

No, the state makes all charging decisions. This causes a lot of problems like in domestic violence cases where the victim will call the DA a few days later and say "Oh, I didn't really want to call the police, it's not a big deal, blah blah..." but at that point the victim has no say. They lose control of the case when they call the police.

CutiePie2000 02-22-2007 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphagamuga (Post 1402260)
Who has a sword?

Maybe one of the "Society for Creative Anachronism" people? http://www.sca.org/

JonoBN41 02-23-2007 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GeekyPenguin (Post 1402344)
No, the state makes all charging decisions.

Not necessarily true. I once caught a co-worker stealing from our family business and called police. They refused to press charges. They said "I" had to press the charges, meaning I could have said no. Perhaps it depends on the nature of the crime, and/or the jurisdiction.

In this case, the guy with the sword didn't have a phone, so I would assume the other guy called in the complaint and pressed charges.

Who has swords? I do! Two of them - just like on our coat of arms! :)

GeekyPenguin 02-23-2007 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by JonoBN41 (Post 1402924)
Not necessarily true. I once caught a co-worker stealing from our family business and called police. They refused to press charges. They said "I" had to press the charges, meaning I could have said no. Perhaps it depends on the nature of the crime, and/or the jurisdiction.

In this case, the guy with the sword didn't have a phone, so I would assume the other guy called in the complaint and pressed charges.

Who has swords? I do! Two of them - just like on our coat of arms! :)

If they said you had to press the charges then you probably didn't meet the standard for criminal theft and they may have meant you had to go civil.

I am very very familiar with this area (I would say more but, you know, crazy people on the interwebs) and I would be absolutely shocked if the DA was willing to drop it.

JonoBN41 02-23-2007 07:41 PM

No, I had to actually say out loud, in front of everybody, "I want him arrested", whereupon the cops put him in handcuffs and took him away in a police car. It wasn't all that civil.

JonoBN41 02-23-2007 07:53 PM

Another time, we had a nighttime break-in. Files rifled just for looks - an inside job. When we told the detective the name of the employee we suspected, he rolled his eyes and said, "Her??? She a goddamn thief!"

So that was the end of that. They never so much as called her up and asked her if she had done it.

The only thing that shocks me about DAs is how often they'll railroad people they know are innocent, just to close a case.

UGAalum94 02-23-2007 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JonoBN41 (Post 1402938)

The only thing that shocks me about DAs is how often they'll railroad people they know are innocent, just to close a case.

Other than Nifong, do you really think this happens much?

They "know" the person's innocent? How? Wouldn't they also know that the defense lawyer could prove it just the same way they "knew' it?


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