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tnx_soulanna 12-06-2005 03:36 PM

opinion article bashes greeks
 
Ugh! Our school newspaper bashed greek orgs. last week. The author not only did his best to perpetuate stereotypes of greeks, but also included BLATANTLY non-factual information. :mad: It was horrible. We're responding by sending them tons of letters that they will hopefully ALL print. Here's a quote from the article:

Quote:

"These organizations [non-greek student organizations] provide the same unity that a Greek organization might, but most do not promote drinking in the same manner that Greeks do; they foster a community, rather than simply get it drunk."
Greek organizations need to take some responsibility

dzrose93 12-06-2005 04:15 PM

I hope that the paper prints your letters. Unfortunately, it sounds like this person already has his mind made up about GLOs. I don't think anything will change it.

That comment about how Greek organizations take away potential members of other campus orgs was such a crock... I really hope that someone's rebuttal letter will point out that Greeks are typically the more involved students on campus, and that many GLOs actually require that their members be active in other campus orgs in addition to their own chapter.

My advice would be to provide statistics about Greek involvement on your campus -- how many Greeks are involved in other orgs, what the Greek GPA is compared to non-Greeks, etc. Sometimes cold hard numbers make an impression where heartfelt rhetoric fails.

Dianne 12-06-2005 09:28 PM

Yeah, there are always those poor sports out there who write these kinds of opinion columns in campus newspapers. It happened when I was in school, and we all, of course, flooded the newspaper with angry letters. What actually was surprising was that so many of the editors and students running the paper were Greek, and we all thought, "How could you agree to print this trash?" Of course, our campus paper was so bad it was almost laughable, so no one on campus every took anything printed in there too seriously.

But there are some people who just don't like Greeks. One of my very best best friends told me she thought sororities were cults. And I said, "Then don't join one."

amanda6035 12-07-2005 12:15 PM

Yeah it sucks...happened here too....
 
Quote:

Sororities are lame
Written by ***
Published on Monday, October 31, 2005

Okay, to be fair, I was extremely interested in joining a sorority when I first stepped foot on campus. There aren’t many girls on campus, why not get ‘in’ with the few that are? We have to stick together somehow right?

Well, this quickly changed when during rush I got a good look at the XYZ table. Three haughty, removed-looking girls glaring at me isn’t exactly my idea of a fun time, so I gave myself a good five feet of distance between the table they were sitting at and myself and went about my merry way. I completely forgot about the whole ordeal and my silly thoughts of actually spending money to be a part of an exaggerated wannabe high school cheer-leading squad.

Oh, but no, then comes the posters.

I live in [the freshman] hall like a few of the other freshmen girls and suddenly there are these huge, pink, cute butterflies on nearly everyone’s door. This didn’t annoy me so badly, they need to feel like they’re a part of something, right? I wasn’t even annoyed when they drew in chalk marker on the glass windows in front of the elevator.

But it didn’t stop there.

A week or two later, there were different posters. The butterflies weren’t even gone yet, and there were these pink posters with the girls names on them saying “one of the many wonderful girls in XYZ.” What was the point of that? A waste of paper, time, and ink.

But this wasn’t so bad. At least I saw a poster earlier for a Hurricane Katrina relief food drive. Unfortunately it was extremely under promoted in my opinion, and I don’t know the results of such an activity, but to do them justice, they did seem like they cared a little bit.

Enter ABC. I thought one of my neighbors was having a birthday due to the paper streamers hanging around their door. However, upon closer inspection, I see the gargantuan poster size sign welcoming her to ABC. What? Are they trying to out do XYZ? I shrugged this off, although at this point, I was getting pretty annoyed. I let them write on the windows by the elevator too. You know, I didn’t get annoyed with XYZ for doing that, so I let it slide.

Then girls started doing posters with their names on it writing about how ABC hearts XYZ and that’s just obnoxious. Coupled with ABC loves DEF(fraternity) on the door window that separate the girl’s side of the hall from the boy’s side of the hall and on multiple cars, it’s really no wonder I finally got sick enough of the childish bull to write this article.

Apparently it’s not easy to be in a sorority. They have to do community service and learn about the sorority’s history, but you could’ve surely fooled me. I wish they’d do something more worth while then cluttering the halls with silly posters and love declarations. I feel like I’m back in high school.
Responded By:

Quote:

Letter to the editor: Response to Sororities are lame
Contributed by Collaboration of "New Sorority Members"
Published on Monday, November 21, 2005

To be fair, I was going to start this off respectfully, but after reviewing your article again, ***, I’ve decided that respect is only warranted where it is first given. So, let me jump right in and get started.

First of all, whatever we put on our doors is our business, not yours. If it’s such an eye sore, don’t look. That’s why God gave us eyelids. Our decorations are in no way infringing on you. They are on our doors, plain and simple. We have every right to put them there. The posters and butterflies are our sororities’ ways of welcoming us into our sisterhoods, and our way of letting the world know how proud we are of our organizations. We are sorry that you have no concept of pride.

Second, there are many things that we could have said about your door, ***. I could have easily complained about your sign which says “We aren’t antisocial, we just don’t give a shit.” I mean, after all, if you want to get technical, your door has vulgar language on it, which could be considered offensive, not to mention the fact that it tells us what kind of person is behind the door. We could have complained about the mass of cobwebs and spiders you put on your door, but we didn’t. Why would we? It’s your door; you can do what you want with it. Wow, what a concept.

As to the ABC Loves XYZ signs, that’s one organization telling the other that it cares. It’s our attempt to extend the hand of friendship between two groups, and trying to get to know others better. But, I guess the person with the antisocial sign wouldn’t grasp that either.

What really is most disturbing to us about your article is the fact that, if you had a problem with us, why not come directly to us? We are literally a few steps away from you. Were you afraid to approach us, or was it simply that you realized that you didn’t actually have anything of substance to “complain” about? “My neighbors have cutesy door decorations, waahhh!”

So, why did we write this instead of coming to you? Because you didn’t show us that courtesy to begin with. So, ***, while we are our working hard on our philanthropy projects and growing closer to our sisters, we hope you enjoy sitting alone behind your closed door, listening to your emo music.

Oh, and as a side note, if you are going to be a “reporter” you need to get your facts straight, as all good reporters do. ABC has not marked on any DEF car windows. Since you are paying such close reporter-like attention, get your sororities straight. That was XYZ. We thought that being a reporter meant actually working to uncover the facts, but you could’ve surely fooled us. We wish you would do something more worthwhile than clutter the newspaper with silly antisocial articles. We feel like we are back in high school. ABC and XYZ love you ***!

For the record, i didnt write the response - I only wish i could take credit for it, because it's freakin HOT!

33girl 12-07-2005 12:18 PM

Oh please. Trust me, I've seen people crawl home from parties at the wrestlers/ROTC/you name it EVERY house. I'm sure it happens there too.

And yes, the comment about Greeks taking members away is in the top 5 of most asinine things I've read in articles like this.

UNLDelt 12-07-2005 01:29 PM

"Many of you might be nodding your heads saying, "So what? We are in college and we are adults. If some freshman drinks too much, well that's his problem."
No, it is not only his problem, but a much greater dilemma that faces the entire College community."

--Yes it is a greater dilemma...as in, its not just Greeks that consume alcohol...

"Why should traditional fraternities and sororities exist and be allowed to create an environment where a student feels that it is acceptable to drink too much alcohol?"

--Because freedom of association is a constitutional right, and again...WE DON'T CREATE THE ENVIRONMENT, IT'S THERE TO BEGIN WITH. We just give it an easy place to point fingers but we are not the source.

"...To this I refer to the 150-plus campus (non-Greek associated) organizations at the College that I'm sure would love the extra participation and campus unity that would be created if Greek life did not exist."

--What's funny is that I'm sure that those 150-plus orgs are full of Greek students and lead by them.

When will people start to take responsibility for their own actions?!

Coramoor 12-07-2005 04:31 PM

When the sun rises in the West.

I really think that all problems can be thrown at the feet of liberals.

tnx_soulanna 12-07-2005 06:00 PM

The paper just came out and they printed two full pages of responses from greek organizations. And they had a half-page editorial responding to it as well. yayayayayay!!!:D

flirt5721 12-07-2005 06:23 PM

Yeah I know how you guys feel last year we had an article like that too. It's nothing new here. We do our thing eventhough non greek will not understand what we do.

DeltAlum 12-07-2005 06:30 PM

Articles like this one are really too bad. They're not great journalism -- or even opinion. They're not fair.

It's true that they stereotype the Greek System and its members.

Here's the problem.

Stereotypes generally have their start in some kind of negative situation or behavior. (Or even positive behavior if they're positive stereotypes)

All of these feelings toward the Greek System started somewhere -- and not somewhere good.

They're not going to go away until we overwhelm the rest of the world with the positive aspects of fraternities and sororities.

Read the Risk Management forum. We're not overwhelming anyone overall.

Coramoor 12-07-2005 07:06 PM

In my school paper there is a comment on the opinion page refering to fraternities or sororities in some negative manner around twice a week or so.

Most of them boil down to the 'sorority girl getting dressed up to go workout' or 'drunken frat guys/parties/beer pong' etc.

I think pretty much think everyone laughs it off. There are pictures beside the articles of the person that wrote it...and more than likely they have never been to a frat/sorority party nor would the be allowed in if they did try to go.

Unregistered- 01-02-2006 06:06 PM

Re: Statistics
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Iconoclastic
You know the stats as well as I do. If you want to say other people are doing it, fine. But twice as many greeks are doing it in a smaller population. It's like saying more whites are on welfare than blacks. True, but the greater percentage per ethnic group is way higher for blacks.

The desire to throw the responsibility on the national bodyu is typical greek hyupocrisy. Should everyone be involved in stopping the alcohol epidemic among greeks? Where is the brotherhood and sisterhood espoused by these groups.

Typical character assassination of the individual writing the article. I wrote an article on greeklife and no one rebutted. They all knew I was telling the truth and had the facts to back it up. If this guy lied, he ought to be hammered. If he is reporting a factual occurrence and then giving his opinion on it, then that is excellent reporting.

The main problem with wanting to believe a greek is honestly wrapped up in your secrecy and loyalties to one another to even lie to hide the truth. There are too many situation like Chuck Stenzel's where the group gets together for the big lie.

Be real, be responsible, and be honest! When you ignore someone you know is under 21 drinking, it is YOUR responsibility to do someting. If you KNOW hazing is going on it is YOUR responsibility to do something.

John, isn't there a way to ban Fred Hatchett for good this time? :rolleyes:

AchtungBaby80 01-02-2006 06:44 PM

I know that accusing a non-Greek of being "jealous" is the oldest response in the book, but the person who wrote the second article really does sound jealous.

33girl 01-02-2006 09:36 PM

Ahh, Fred. He's like the Lyndon LaRouche of Greek haters.

dznat187 01-02-2006 10:00 PM

as anewspaper kid at my school, i wrote a kind of anti-greek commentary in which i pondered the point of greek orgs as compared to joining non-greek organizations. whatever, not a big deal, no real response from anyone. however, when i meant my now sorority sisters and joined DZ my junior year, for the last issue of the fall semester, I wrote a commentary about my experience of joining and how it broke down the generalizations and stereotypes of greeks.

i pretty much disregard these opinion pieces. the only response is that people will see and think what they want until they are personally shown otherwise. so let them to their own stupid devices.....or if you want to piss them off/show them what it is really like, invite them to come out and spead soem time with your org, maybe even do a more in depth article or research into what greeks actually do. we also have to realize that while the stuff said by non-greeks may not be true about all greeks or your group, it is a generalization for a reason - they see all the crappy stuff greeks do and see that as a representation of all greeks. just like people see politicians like bush, LBJ and NIxon and think all presidents and politicians are liars or are doing stuff to help themselves. all we can do is try harder to prove them wrong and eliminate the reasons for the generalizations.

btw, nothing makes me laugh harder than an opinion piece like these. they think they are journalists! hahahah. reminds me of the kid who wrote a front page story about worms in dinning hall food, based on one corn worm found on a non-cooked ear and discarded when the kitchen staff was inspecting the food. hahah...it is just amusing.


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