Putting one of your glos about another
 

Bottom line on Sinfonia is that we've joined IFC on many campuses, we have houses, we do Greek Week throughout the United States, and we recruit across the campus regardless of major or minor.

Regards,


Boodleboy322

nothin' wrong with that
 

Phi Mu Alpha is simply a few decades behind, for there are a good
many of the NIC and IFC types who started out as specialized groups, and the U of Michigan, with their many professional houses....well, it is just that you will have a helleva road ahead.
The Boy Scout outfit, Alpha Phi Omega, has gone the other way, to a co-ed club, no house and no social, per se, affiliation.
But there's nothing wrong with some PMA's going social. 'course
it may be a floor fight at Conclaves and ultimate break up of the
old "singing fraternity" but it could be done.
Interesting to see. It appears we are in a transitory period with
the many ethnic groups with no houses, the co-eds, the multi so
and so's and a watering down of identities. Perhaps in time it'll all shake out and we will again have identities and purposes!

Maybe throw in FarmHouse and AGR! They too are now IFC Members who came from different backgrounds. I am sure there are actually more out there!:)

So called Jewish Houses have also gone onto bigger and better things after they spread thier coverage.:)

Re: nothin' wrong with that
 

can you elaborate?

Re: nothin' wrong with that
 

Multi so and so's and a watering down of identities??? :o

What's the point of this thread? The OP makes no sense to me.

Is it supposed to be answering a question that's asked somewhere else?

Yes, someone hit "new thread" instead of reply. This goes back to the other thread of the same name.

Also aeBOT, Sinfonia is/was(?) an all music fraternity, so they definitely had some of the best musical talent on campus. I'm guess what Erik is referring to, is that some of the silver greys of Sinfonia are not going to be happy with the decision to go more "social" and open membership to individuals with other majors.

I roomed in college with Sinfonians and they asked me to join and said it didn't matter what major I was. They were some crazy guys. Poor pledges.

Correct. Being a music major or minor has never been a requirement. As I recall, there was at one point (the 60s and 70s, I think) a requirement that a brother take at least one music class during college, but that's as far as any such requirement has ever gone, I think.

Betarulz!, I think you're right in guessing that Erik is talking about the possible reactions of some silver-gray hairs (the ranks of which I am joining all too fast). But we got most of those reactions 10-20 years ago, since the decision to return to our roots as a social fraternity and stop straddling the social/professional worlds was made in the mid-80s and really started to be felt in the early 90s. (Although as I said in the other thread that this got separated from, change comes slowly and at different paces on different campuses.) These days, the only alums one gets that kind of negative reaction are usually those who haven't stayed involved, paid attention to and attempted to understand what the Fraternity has been doing for the last two decades.

And JoninKC, I think I'm going to respect my fears and refrain from asking you to elaborate on the "poor pledges."

Nah, they really weren't that bad. They probably did similar things to what I went through when I pledged TKE. By that I mean it's actually kinda fun, but the most fun you never wanna have again, LOL.

Cool. ;)

In reality this all boils down to semantics. All of the same ideals that unite our brotherhood have remained in tact despite the identity crisis that's taken place at different campuses throughout the years. The integrity maintenance of what we're really about shouldn't prevent true sinfonians from becoming unhappy with a move that, as my brother Mystic Cat mentions, occurred over 20 years ago.

If anyone's interested I keep a copy, for my own records, of the official letter from Lyrecrest that states we're social from the legal standpoint.

Regards,

Boodleboy322

Re: nothin' wrong with that
 

Accord to Baird's we(Alpha Phi Omega) were a recognition society in 1930 (our first mention) and still are as of the most recent Baird's (1993). We have never had houses, and from the first we allowed dual membership social greek and APO (13 of our 14 founders were active members in social greeks (and stayed active in them)).

Gender has changed, we are not co-ed (changeover in 1974/1976) and we no longer official require scouting background (changeover in 1967) but with registering with the local Boy Scout council counting for that, it got fuzzy even as of the late 1950s. I wouldn't say we've moved away from being a social, but perhaps farther from being a professional.

Randy