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IowaStatePhiPsi 12-17-2004 12:11 AM

same-sex marriages inconvenience heterosexual newlyweds
 
Good.

Gay weddings inconvenience heterosexual newlyweds
By Jesse J. Smith, Freeman staff
12/16/2004

NEW PALTZ - Heterosexual newlyweds have been caught in the fallout over the same-sex weddings that took place here earlier this year: The federal government is not recognizing any marriage certificates issued in New Paltz as a valid form of identification for those seeking a name change from the Social Security Administration.

New Paltz resident Susie Kilpatrick Wilkening found out about the policy on Dec. 3, when she went to the Social Security office in Kingston, seeking to change her name to reflect her recent marriage to Jeremy Wilkening.

"I presented my marriage certificate, and I was told that it was not an acceptable form of ID because it was from New Paltz," said Kilpatrick-Wilkening, who works for the Huguenot Historical Society in New Paltz. "If the federal government cannot accept my marriage certificate, I can't prove I'm married, and that could have long-term ramifications. I want to clear this up as soon as possible."

Social Security spokeswoman Jane Zanca said the policy had been in effect since Feb. 27, when village of New Paltz Mayor Jason West married 25 same-sex couples in a ceremony that drew national media attention.

The couples were unlicensed - because no municipal clerk in New York has been willing to authorize a same-sex marriage - so the village and a group called New Paltz Equality Initiative gave marriage affidavits, which hold no legal weight, to the couples married by West and those married by ministers.

"The state has said that it does not consider (any marriage certificates issued in New Paltz) legal documents, so we are waiting until all of the legal issues on the state level are resolved," Zanca said.

Zanca said that the policy originated with the state, but officials at the state Department of Health, which oversees marriages in New York, said no such policy had been requested of the Social Security Administration.

Officials at the New York Department of State, which maintains all state records, also said they had nothing to do with the Social Security policy. Officials at the Social Security Administration's Washington, D.C., office did not return a reporter's calls.

Town of New Paltz Clerk Marian Cappillino said she was puzzled by the policy because the town never issued a marriage license or certificate to a same-sex couple. Instead, the same-sex couples married in New Paltz received notarized affidavits as proof of marriage.

"Everybody knows that I only issue marriage certificates to heterosexual couples who have gotten a marriage license from me," Cappillino said, adding that she never was informed of the federal policy. "I've been issuing marriage certificates for years, so I don't understand why now the Social Security Administration will not accept them."

Zanca said that policy regarding New Paltz-issued marriage licenses has no impact on the validity of a marriage or the ability of couples to receive benefits if they are entitled to them. The policy deals strictly with the validity of the document as a proof of identification for name change requests. Zanca said the agency will accept other documents - including driver's licenses, employee and student ID cards and insurance cards - as proof of identification.

KSigkid 12-17-2004 12:02 PM

Why is this good?

KillarneyRose 12-17-2004 06:22 PM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
Why is this good?
Maybe he's bitter?

Kevin 12-17-2004 08:48 PM

Why is this important?

Sistermadly 12-17-2004 09:25 PM

It's good because it shows heterosexual people that you shouldn't have laws that benefit only one section of the public. It also shows the lengths that idiot politicians will go to just to prevent same-sex couples from having legally recognized unions, but that's just a by-product, IMO.

KSigkid 12-18-2004 10:40 AM

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Originally posted by Sistermadly
It's good because it shows heterosexual people that you shouldn't have laws that benefit only one section of the public. It also shows the lengths that idiot politicians will go to just to prevent same-sex couples from having legally recognized unions, but that's just a by-product, IMO.
But not all heterosexual people are against gay marraige, so something like this hurts/inconveniences a good deal of people who would support gay marriage.

Sistermadly 12-18-2004 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by KSigkid
But not all heterosexual people are against gay marraige, so something like this hurts/inconveniences a good deal of people who would support gay marriage.
Exactly - but even if you're not openly against gay marriage, something like this might make you take a more activist role toward getting legislation passed (or having this particular rule thrown out).

phigamucsb 12-29-2004 01:14 AM

Your logic is seriously flawed Sistermadly.

KSig RC 12-29-2004 01:25 AM

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Originally posted by Sistermadly
Exactly - but even if you're not openly against gay marriage, something like this might make you take a more activist role toward getting legislation passed (or having this particular rule thrown out).



weak

DeltAlum 12-29-2004 10:55 AM

Re: same-sex marriages inconvenience heterosexual newlyweds
 
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Originally posted by IowaStatePhiPsi
Social Security spokeswoman Jane Zanca said the policy had been in effect since Feb. 27, when village of New Paltz Mayor Jason West married 25 same-sex couples in a ceremony that drew national media attention.
Some bureaucrat got up on the wrong side of the bed. No pun intended.

KSigkid 12-29-2004 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Sistermadly
Exactly - but even if you're not openly against gay marriage, something like this might make you take a more activist role toward getting legislation passed (or having this particular rule thrown out).
Or it may just end up upsetting people who are entirely supportive of gay marriage, civil unions and gay rights as a whole.

I'm sorry, but society doesn't work that way - you don't take away everyone's rights to promote activism.

phigamucsb 12-29-2004 07:14 PM

You couldn't have said it any better KSigkid.


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