Different ceiling for Spring and Fall? Pitt people attn.!
 

So total at Pitt for as long as i've known has been 60.

I just talked to my one little who is still active. She said that they have established 2 different totals: 70 for the Spring, and 55 for the fall.

I don't understand this or the logic of it. She said it was something about trying to help chapters who are graduating a lot of seniors, so they can build up before fall rush?

Spring rush at Pitt is informal and there's always a very low turnout. I don't see how raising the ceiling, which would allow every group to rush, would help out the majority of chapters. SO few girls rush, that the more popular groups could easily take them all leaving the smaller/less popular groups emptyhanded!

Can either Fire1977 or honeychile shed some light on this?

Anyone every heard of this sort of thing at any other school?

I don't think that's even allowed. Especially the way you have it, it sounds like it would do the opposite of what it's supposed to.

This scenario could also encourage a woman who didn't get her 'dream chapter' to withdraw from formal rush in the fall, and then get picked up the following semester during informal.

The 'dream chapter' could still make quota (55) in the fall and then pick her up the following semester.

Did Pitt have spring rush in the early to mid-90's? I don't recall being aware of anything except fall rush when I was there.

PGHLady

well, i can only say for as far back as spring 99, b/c that's all the time that I was there, but i'm pretty sure they did. It's not promoted very well

Do all of the chapters participate? Is it like COR or just a Partially Stuctured Recruitment like the new Resolutions suggest?

My campus is having a fit right now because we decided to have a Spring Rush. The smaller chapters believe that we are only supposed to chose 1 type of recruitment and shouldn't have more times for girls to go through Recruitment (so long to type-I miss rush). They believe that this extra session will prevent them from getting girls in COR. We have already had 10 girls sign up and the Winter break isn't even here. The 2 smaller chapters only bring in about 4 girls in a COR semester. I don't know what the deal is. If they get 10 girls in this Recruitment, that is 6 more than their average. AGHH!

Re: Different ceiling for Spring and Fall? Pitt people attn.!
 

I haven't heard about this, but you can be sure that I'll be asking! As much as our Pitt chapter would be one to REALLY benefit (we stand to graduate almost half the chapter!), it's not in the proper Panhellenic spirit.

kddani, you're right - the historically big chapters would just add 15 more women (if possible), and there would be no need to worry about quota in the fall, really.

Question: would COB up to 70 be allowed? This just opens such a HUGE can of worms!!

takala, a chapter sister of mine and a sometimes GCer, explained it over in the KD forum. Guess it was actually up for vote the other night, and it didn't pass because the small houses figured out that it would probably screw them over.

And finding out that this was basically for the benefit of one house (the one with a house), who is worried about filling their house (i.e. live-in) in the fall, i'm not to sad over this. When the rest of us have an issue filling our suites, panhel doesn't totally change the rules. Not to mention the fact that said chapter is one of the most consistently successful chapters on campus and will have no problem making up for their lost seniors.

While in theory it would help your ladies, honeychile, you know they'd just get screwed b/c the bigger houses could just take more girls, with so few girls going through rush in the spring to begin with. If you could COB, that would be good, but I don't know if that was part of the deal. If there wasn't a quota for spring rush (which most of the time there isn't), why should the smaller chapters even bother if they're only going to get a girl or two?

While my house could possibly benefit, it also could possibly not because so many houses compete for the same girls.

roqueemae- to answer your question, I don't even know how to explain it. Usually only the houses not at total rush (which is a decent number), it's kinda structured, but there's no quota usually. It's all messed up and usually changes from year to year.

Sorry I've been emailing a lot about this issue, lol.

They used to raise ceiling to 65 every spring for quite a few semesters so everyone could participate in spring recruitment, lol I'm guessing they stopped my junior year? that would explain why you don't remember it dani.

Actually dani - the people you normally need the numbers aren't the ones who are hurting, but you were right in other respects. I talked to your chapters' advisor the night that we heard about it.

The other part you missed was that they wanted to move FORMAL recruitment to spring, but that got nixed now. Following the new NPC guidelines would actually lower total if anything so that's what they are voting on next week. A great deal of the sororities - including DPhiE are losing a lot of members after this spring. It probably could have helped us, but I didn't think it was fair to everyone.

I think the thought was that everyone would COB to 70 come back with around 50 in the fall, take quota with anyone not being at ceiling being able to COB up to 50 and then they could raise it again in the spring. But I could only think of 3 chapters that are motivated and experienced enough to actually COB up to 70 and COB'ing 10 or more women is kind of pushing it in the spring!

roqueemae - Pitt does Fully Structured recruitment complete with quota and hand bid matching in the fall, and they do something similar to what NPC would call a minimally structured recruitment in the spring. Our panhellenic helps the sororities set times for recruitment parties and helps generate interest from PNM's-only sororities not a total participate, which is probably different from what your campus is looking to do. I'm guessing it's a bit different than the actually NPC ideal - the big drawback to the way they do it is PNM's can get more than one bid and they get to choose which one they accept, so if your chapter only has 4 spots you can only extend 4 bids and you have to hope your 4 PNM's accept your bid or else you have will have to COB that spot. It's weird but I can't imagine them moving to strict COB.

It's really odd, before this year, I never once saw anyone in letters in Pittsburgh. I come back for break and BAM! they're everywhere. Just tonight, I saw 3 Delta Zeta's and a Phi Sigma Sigma at the Robinson mall. CMU and Pitt must be doing something right with their recruitment. :D

Lots of information to digest here...

Yes, we'd only benefit if we could COB. It's so weird - when I was in school, we were so pitiful at COB, and that seems to be the chapter's strong suit now. So, with that option out of the mix, it would be the same old, same old indeed.

As for moving Formal Recruitment, I'd only be in favor of moving it forward, not pushing it back. It's bad enough that the High Holy Days never seem to be taken into consideration when the original week is set, and then everything has to be moved to accomodate them. I can remember a Rush Week that somehow got passed with Yom Kippur on Pref Night!! Talk about messing up!!

I love robinson mall! It's where we WVUers have to go to get any decent clothes around here!

I live pretty close to there. It's so weird because I can remember when there was NOTHING out there. It was just grass and fields and a strip mall. I was with "Santa" getting stuff for christmas for me (actually, getting stuff for recruitment). It's just more convienient that going to North Hills or South Hills or Century 3