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moe.ron

11-13-2004 09:12 AM

Foreign grad students in U.S. down

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…Foreign students and their dependents pump an estimated $13 billion a year into the U.S. economy. Even more importantly, education officials argue that talented graduate students, especially in engineering, science and technology, bring invaluable talent to the United States.

I do know that many Asian students have opted to go to Australia and Canada.

moe.ron

11-23-2004 04:28 AM

An editorial on this issue by the Washington Post.

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Some Americans might say, "Good riddance, it's their loss." Actually the greater loss is ours. American universities benefit from having the best students from across the globe. But the single most deadly effect of this trend is the erosion of American capacity in science and technology. The U.S. economy has powered ahead in large part because of the amazing productivity of America's science and technology. Yet that research is now done largely by foreign students. The National Science Board (NSB) documented this reality last year, finding that 38 percent of doctorate holders in America's science and engineering workforce are foreign-born. Foreigners make up more than half of the students enrolled in science and engineering programs. The dirty little secret about America's scientific edge is that it's largely produced by foreigners and immigrants.

Rudey

11-23-2004 12:39 PM

It's never been a dirty little secret. The reason why America has been so successful is the fact that it has pulled in brain power from throughout the world.

In my opinion the loss of certain students that is being felt now won't change. Some may decide on another country being suited for them.

The only response is to find other sources. Africa and Latin America are largely untapped.

-Rudey

kappaloo

11-23-2004 12:49 PM

Re: Foreign grad students in U.S. down

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Originally posted by moe.ron
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I do know that many Asian students have opted to go to Australia and Canada.

Cost is a big factor. International tuition here is still far cheaper than tuition at a US school of equal stature.

The question then is - how many of these students are being retained in country of study after graduation? I know a large portion of my graduating class made the rush south after graduation. Perhaps, even if the US isn't schooling them, the foreign nationals are still arriving to boost the US's science and technology sector.

Rudey

11-23-2004 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by kappaloo
Cost is a big factor. International tuition here is still far cheaper than tuition at a US school of equal stature.

The question then is - how many of these students are being retained in country of study after graduation? I know a large portion of my graduating class made the rush south after graduation. Perhaps, even if the US isn't schooling them, the foreign nationals are still arriving to boost the US's science and technology sector.

A lot are leaving. There were studies for several decades analysing this.

Also, in grad school it is often paid for. I don't know anyone who really had to pay anything for their PhD at the best schools.

-Rudey

kappaloo

11-23-2004 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
A lot are leaving. There were studies for several decades analysing this.

Also, in grad school it is often paid for. I don't know anyone who really had to pay anything for their PhD at the best schools.

-Rudey

Cool. Yea, any decent school will pay for people to do their Masters and PhD. It's the only way you get "talent".

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