winneythepooh7 |
10-10-2004 12:40 AM |
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Originally posted by NaturalDelta
i think there is a lot of assumption in your post. Just b/c someone is in college doesn't mean they are financially sound. The college student may have dependents, hard times, and no money. Hopefully going thru college will allow them to have a job where they do not have to depend on welfare for life. Also many states require college students to have a part time job also to receive benefits. We all have unexpected things happen in our life, and there may be a need to apply for services. Next, if the state says that this person is qualified, then why not apply for it? Lastly, why take out extra loans (last sunday's church service was on dealt with accepting help and not getting into debt), that you will be paying back for ever when the government says that one's circumstances allow them aid. You are not defrauding anyone if you are eligible. Pride doesn't feed the stomach.
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You pretty much said the same things I said. I did indicate that if you have a major life situation (ie. dependents as you mentioned) then certainly that is appropriate. Playing devils advocate though, as a Social Worker, I see *some* (not all) clients that could probably work but become dependent on the system. How long is the system going to be around for? If the benefits are there, and can help someone get on their feet, I recommend going for them, but with the understanding that one needs to be prepared for a time when they may not be there. I also think that because different states have different benefits systems it makes it harder for college students in say, NYC, to be eligible vs. say, GA. In the broader perspective of things, however, I think that for the majority of people, especially getting graduate degrees, it is very difficult NOT getting themselves into debt. I remember having a conversation about this while I was in graduate school and someone said that the government factors in your eligibility to get loans into whether or not you are able to be eligible for medicaid, food stamps, and that kinda thing (they count this as "income"). It's unfortunate but in our society and thanks to our govt's way of thinking, many people feel that benefits like food stamps are a privilige, and not a "right", and only "certain" people should be eligible. Like you said, if there is a single mother with no $$$ for food or childcare, you can't very well expect her to be able to come up with money for food and childcare, and tuition. But most people in our society are ignorant and think that "these" people are taking advantage of the system. It's also interesting to think about how many people are not even aware that these benefits may exist for them in their state. I think it's because in our society the idea is working=the way to go (not that I agree with this completely, but this is the message society seems to be sending). Also, it's not like the amount one gets each month in food stamps is a lot anyways. Some of my clients get like $100 or less a month for food. How do you live on $100 or less for food a month especially in someplace like NYC unless you are eating rice and beans every day. That's not exactly nutritious. I think again there is no easy solution and this is an age-old argument.
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