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south side wade 09-17-2004 12:12 AM

black athlete vs the white athlete
 
is the black athlete a better athlete than the white athlete in
the sports of football, basketball, and baseball.

Kevin 09-17-2004 09:18 AM

I don't think race is a huge part of it. It has more to do with individual physical gifts, conditioning, talent level, etc.

TheEpitome1920 09-17-2004 10:42 AM

:confused: :rolleyes:

Jill1228 09-17-2004 10:42 AM

WTF kinda question is that?
 
What he said! IMO NO race has a lockdown on ANY sport!

Also what SHE said :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
I don't think race is a huge part of it. It has more to do with individual physical gifts, conditioning, talent level, etc.

sigtau305 09-17-2004 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
I don't think race is a huge part of it. It has more to do with individual physical gifts, conditioning, talent level, etc.
Co-Sign

KSig RC 09-17-2004 11:31 AM

Re: black athlete vs the white athlete
 
Quote:

Originally posted by south side wade
is the black athlete a better athlete than the white athlete in
the sports of football, basketball, and baseball.


paul hornung ahoy!

valkyrie 09-17-2004 11:31 AM

I'll send $5 to the first person who admits that race may make a difference.

KSig RC 09-17-2004 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by valkyrie
I'll send $5 to the first person who admits that race may make a difference.

I'll send you $500 to the first person who can post scientific proof of physical differences based solely on race that would somehow produce superior athletes.

Imperial1 09-17-2004 11:34 AM

Not this shit again. :rolleyes:

Imperial1

Kevin 09-17-2004 11:51 AM

Re: WTF kinda question is that?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jill1228
What he said! IMO NO race has a lockdown on ANY sport!

Also what SHE said :rolleyes:

The pronoun that belongs there when referring to me is "he".

Thanks ;)

KSigkid 09-17-2004 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
I don't think race is a huge part of it. It has more to do with individual physical gifts, conditioning, talent level, etc.
exactly

sugar and spice 09-17-2004 12:30 PM

I don't necessarily agree -- or disagree -- with the article posted below, but I thought I'd throw it out there:

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0657.htm

Of course, the article divides groups up on more than just race, so I'm not sure it's exactly what we're arguing here. And it touches on running more than other sports, but I think what it says can be applied to basketball and, to a lesser extent, baseball and football.

I have to admit, however, that as a runner I hear tons about the Kenyans dominating the distance sport and there has got to be more of a reason for that than just training -- although race isn't necessarily it. But the "more slow-twitch muscle fibers" argument makes sense to me, if it's true.

KSig RC 09-17-2004 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sugar and spice
I don't necessarily agree -- or disagree -- with the article posted below, but I thought I'd throw it out there:

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0657.htm

Of course, the article divides groups up on more than just race, so I'm not sure it's exactly what we're arguing here. And it touches on running more than other sports, but I think what it says can be applied to basketball and, to a lesser extent, baseball and football.

I have to admit, however, that as a runner I hear tons about the Kenyans dominating the distance sport and there has got to be more of a reason for that than just training -- although race isn't necessarily it. But the "more slow-twitch muscle fibers" argument makes sense to me, if it's true.

A.) Not hard to debunk the source, considering it's hardly a primary-source science rag
B.) The 'slow-twitch' muscle argument, while it has scientific support, does NOT apply to race, per se - otherwise, anyone of that particular east african lineage would have the same characteristics, no? Including those who moved from the source of the lineage, say, centuries ago . . .
C.) There is an inherent flaw in this type of research, as well, in that neutral controls are impossible given the subject matter. This makes the 'science' dubious from the standpoint of narrowing down causal links. Occam's razor still rules the day.
D.) Also, running requires unique attributes compared to other sports, which have stronger strategy, teamwork, etc components - do you mean to tell me that, for instance, Asians are born with a stronger inate sense of Judo technique and sparring strategy? How are we going to study this, and how can we eliminate (entirely relevant) social and cultural "background noise" from the experiment?
E.) Why don't we see these supposed 'racial' trends in anything else other than sport? isn't that vieeeerd?

-RC
--That's why i'm here, keepin it REAL (plus work is slow today)

IowaStatePhiPsi 09-17-2004 12:50 PM

Re: black athlete vs the white athlete
 
Quote:

Originally posted by south side wade
is the black athlete a better athlete than the white athlete in
the sports of football, basketball, and baseball.

sorry- eugenics theories fail when you look at humans at a genetic level. There is greater genetic difference within populations than between populations.
Summary: no genetic difference between races means no clear reason for persons of one race to be "superior" or "inferior" in anything (I could argue that Asian athletes are better by the way of Yao)

blueGBI 09-17-2004 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Imperial1
Not this shit again. :rolleyes:

Imperial1

co-fucking-sign


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