CBS vs. FOX
 

On one had the liberal media says we need to stop re-fighting Vietnam..but then 60 minutes decide to do a special on Bush's war record..which seems to be "made up"... By the way..CBS has yet to describe the discrepancies


What say you? ;)
Apologies if this is posted already!


Bush Piloted Guard Trainers Before He Quit

Friday, September 10, 2004



WASHINGTON — George W. Bush (search) began flying a two-seat training jet more frequently and twice required multiple attempts to land a one-seat fighter in the weeks just before he quit flying for the Texas Air National Guard (search) in 1972, his pilot logs show.

The logs show Bush flew nine times in T-33 trainers in February and March 1972, including eight times in one week and four of those only as a co-pilot. Bush, then a first lieutenant, flew in T-33s only twice in the previous six months and three times in the year ending July 31, 1971.

The records also show Bush required two passes to land an F-102A fighter on March 12 and April 10, 1972. His last flight as an Air National Guard pilot was on April 16.

Meanwhile, questions were raised Thursday about the authenticity of newly unearthed memos purporting to have been written by one of Bush's commanders in 1972 and 1973. The memos, which were publicized by CBS News on its "60 Minutes" program, say Bush ignored a direct order from a superior officer and lost his status as a Guard pilot because he failed to meet military performance standards and undergo a required physical exam.

The network defended the memos, saying its experts who examined the memos concluded they were authentic documents produced by Lt. Col. Jerry Killian (search).

But Killian's son, one of Killian's fellow officers and an independent document examiner questioned the memos Gary Killian, who served in the Guard with his father and retired as a captain in 1991, said he doubted his father would have written an unsigned memo which said there was pressure to "sugar coat" Bush's performance review.

"It just wouldn't happen," he said. "No officer in his right mind would write a memo like that."

The personnel chief in Killian's unit at the time also said he believes the documents are fake.

"They looked to me like forgeries," said Rufus Martin. "I don't think Killian would do that, and I knew him for 17 years." Killian died in 1984.

Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines said the memos looked like they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software. Lines, a document expert and fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, pointed to a superscript — a smaller, raised "th" in "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron" — as evidence indicating forgery.

Microsoft Word automatically inserts superscripts in the same style as the two on the memos obtained by CBS, she said.

"I'm virtually certain these were computer generated," Lines said after reviewing copies of the documents at her office in Paradise Valley, Ariz. She produced a nearly identical document using her computer's Microsoft Word software.

The Defense Department released Bush's pilot logs this week under pressure from a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Associated Press. The logs do not explain why Bush was flying T-33s or why he twice needed multiple approaches to make landings.

White House spokesman Trent Duffy said Thursday said he had no information on the reasons behind the multiple-approach landings or the surge in training-jet flights.

"He did his training and was honorably discharged," Duffy said.

Read rest here:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,131961,00.html

Wow.

It shows you what lengths that people will go to in order to discredit him. As I said before, the truth has become unimportant in the eyes of too many.

CBS needs to apologize for this. Even if they didn't create it, they certainly bought into the forgery without considering the obvious -- if it is too juicy to be true, it probably is.

And as for the people that forged it.

How lazy can you get? Could you not go somewhere and borrow an electric typewriter?

Exactly. But I doubt CBS will apologize. The liberal media is throwing all they can at GWB...but it aint sticking... they really don't know what to do what themselves....neither does the John Kerry campaign thats in disarray.

I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a CBS apology. If they did make the mistake, it's a careless one at best.

Wow.

You really believe it was careless? C'mon.. I know you don't really believe that.:rolleyes: :mad:

I'd have to say that it was careless. I don't think the liberal media has any kind of planned agenda. It's just that their own personal opininos and prejudices come through in their reporting -- especially on what they choose to report on.

But do I think there's some kind of vast left-wing conspiracy? Not at all.

Democrats are liars it seems.

Not only that but they're 2 faced. They got upset when Kerry's service was questioned, so what do they do? They create fake documents about Bush's service and insult the thousands of men and women who served honorably in the National Guard.

-Rudey

This isn't even the most hypocritical thing that the Dems have done. These are the same people that supported Bill Clinton in '92 and '96. The same man that burned his draft card and REALLY dodged the draft.

They are really so two faced in this that it's unbelievable.

Deptartment of Defense at it's best. Next time they should double-check their forgeries before they release them.

I think carelessness played a part in it, yes. Do I think that makes it any more excusable? Not at all. I still think it's a big mistake to make.

It's true; Democrats do lie!

-Rudey

I checked the 60 minutes website. Apparently, they're standing behind this story.

Exactly! I was just telling my coworkers at lunch today that the Democrats should not care what Bush did or didn't do. Skipping out all together didn't cost Bill Clinton the presidency.

Apparently, the Democratic party has flip flopped.