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SurfinDBeach 07-17-2004 01:44 AM

STILL the largest fraternity in the world...
 
This guy on the Greek Life Forum provided fairly current statistics (May 17th, 2004) on the National Fraternities listed on a website with their respective executives...

It is also provided by the following website by Ariesrising (reportedly updated to July 2004 - NOW): http://www3.telus.net/ariesrising/numbers.html

The poster on the Greek Life forum broke it down...

I know one thing - we knew we were the largest fraternity in the world CHAPTER wise...

Now it looks to be in all aspects...

I know the SAE's on our campus talked about their initiates number, and we talk about our chapters...

Well looks like we have both now :D :D :D

Here's the post from the guy on the greek life forum:
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Here are two separate lists. The first list is of fraternities with more than 100 chapters. (I did not include colonies or affiliates) The second list is fraternities with more than 100,000 total initiates.

Please do not shoot the massager here. I got the following statistics from the Fraternities Executives Association's web site. Last updated on Monday, May 17, 2004.

http://www.fea-inc.org/fratern.htm

My understanding is that each fraternity's information is provided by the fraternity. So how up to date the statistics may be is depended on each fraternity.

FYI: From the information provided, you can not divide the total number of initiates by number of chapters to get an average chapter size. The number you would get would be the total number of initiates per chapter. To get the historical average chapter size you would then need to divide that number by the total cumulative number of years for all active chapters.

To find the current average chapter size, you would need to know the number of current active members divided by the current number of chapters. The web site does not provide this information.

For example. Fraternity ABC is listed with two chapters and 120 initiates. Chapter A has had 60 members for 3 years while Chapter B has had 60 members for 2 years. If you were to divide 120 by 2 you would come up with 60. But the accurate chapter average would be 24. How would you get there is to divide 120 (total initiates) by 5 (each active year of each chapter - 3 for Chapter A and 2 for Chapter B.) Thus 120/5 = 24.

Perhaps you can you tell I'm a statistics nerd.


Fraternities with 100 plus chapters

243 Tau Kappa Epsilon
238 Sigma Phi Epsilon
218 Sigma Chi
208 Pi Kappa Alpha
207 Sigma Alpha Epsilon

194 Kappa Sigma
190 Lambda Chi Alpha
185 Sigma Nu
167 Phi Delta Theta
140 Alpha Tau Omega

134 Theta Chi
130 Kappa Alpha Order
129 Beta Theta Pi
119 Pi Kappa Phi
117 Delta Chi

113 Phi Gamma Delta
112 Delta Tau Delta
107 Sigma Pi
102 Delta Sigma Phi


Fraternities with 100,000 plus initiates

280,544 Tau Kappa Epsilon
270,867 Sigma Alpha Epsilon
263,975 Sigma Chi
245,904 Sigma Phi Epsilon
240,379 Lambda Chi Alpha

219,000 Kappa Sigma
217,400 Phi Delta Theta
215,000 Pi Kappa Alpha
206,653 Sigma Nu
185,000 Alpha Tau Omega

182,284 Kappa Alpha Order
168,000 Beta Theta Pi
153,145 Theta Chi
148,100 Phi Gamma Delta
144,167 Delta Tau Delta

117,199 Delta Upsilon
115,000 Phi Sigma Kappa
110,000 Zeta Beta Tau
107,000 Delta Sigma Phi
104,000 Phi Kappa Psi

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GO T K E !!!

SurfinDBeach 07-17-2004 04:45 PM

BY THE WAY...
 
Largest Fraternity in the WORLD - and still we have a crappy International Headquarter WEBSITE... SOMEONE PLEASE FIX THAT FRIGGIN CONDEMNED AND FORSAKEN WEBSITE!!!

GO BEACH!!!

Erik P Conard 07-17-2004 10:41 PM

yes, yes, yes
 
yes, we have a crappy website
yes, we have the most active chapters
yes, we have the most inactive chapters.
But we existed for over twenty years with poor leadership and
a piss-poor Grand Council.
Finally, changes are coming about.
Slowly.
And some of us who stuck it through, like me, have been heavily
criticized and condemned. But, be that as it may, I am still here
and others have jumped ship or gone to never-never land.
We are turning it around. But you chapters out there with less than 40 men, you chapters with no adviser, no board....if I had
it my way, you'd be gone. History...you are a drag to all of us.
Take heed, times are a changin' even in TKE and we worked very
hard to reach #1 and a couple are trying to catch us. They won't
but some of us have caught hell for years for trying to excel.
Be good or be gone!

Erik P Conard 07-17-2004 11:14 PM

most living?
 
Wonder who has the most living initiates? I would guess it is us,
too, as we got a much later start than most.
But, we gotta hand it to Sig Ep and Pike, and even though we are
yet the largest, these are two damned good outfits who have done us all proud -- themselves. They are damned worthy competitors, I would like to feel friends and comrades. And so are
a goodly number of others. But, I am proud TKE is #1 in size...we still have lots of room for improvement. But I salute Sig Ep and Pike for having done a damn good job themselves these past twenty years. And we need not say congrats to SAE, Beta, et al.,
they speak for themselves...well, too. The list is legion....

SurfinDBeach 07-18-2004 04:37 PM

Thank you...
 
And most of us are proud there are those like you Frater Conard that stuck by to see us through that dark time you tell us about...

We should all hold our heads up high knowing there are fiesty people like you with the Teke Spirit...

From what I recall from a certain important speech by Frater McCauley -
"Interwoven about the sentiments of our name and our pin, and ingrained in the fiber of every member is the Teke spirit - a spirit typical of our fraternity - a spirit that does not shrink from sacrifice, that knows no defeat; a spirit indomitable."

GO BEACH!!!

hoosier 07-18-2004 08:57 PM

A question
 
Last year when this came up it was learned that TKE was largest, if you count active chapters and colonies.

Is TKE still using this new math to count chapters and claim the title?

Erik P Conard 07-18-2004 10:27 PM

new math?
 
What is this new math? (I got a D in math)
TKE has the most active chapters of the NIC American fraternities
TKE has the most colonies/affiliates
TKE has the most interest groups
TKE has the most total initiates
TKE has the most living initiates
TKE has the most inactive chapters
What is this new math?
Really, we got lots better things to do....

amw315 10-04-2004 03:20 PM

whats this about you want to see chapters with less then 40 men shut down?? That would close down about half the chapters across the country. And its not the numbers that make a great chapter. You can still have a good contribution to your school and your community if you don't have numbers. I also think thats what makes TKE such a great fraternity is the diversity of small and big chapters.

hoosier 10-08-2004 06:04 PM

Small chapter?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by amw315
whats this about you want to see chapters with less then 40 men shut down?? That would close down about half the chapters across the country. And its not the numbers that make a great chapter. You can still have a good contribution to your school and your community if you don't have numbers. I also think thats what makes TKE such a great fraternity is the diversity of small and big chapters.
Sure, a small chapter can contribute to the school/community, but a larger chapter can devote half the energy and still double the effort of the little one. For example:

30 man chapter - 20% active in student govt. = 6 people

80 man chapter - 20% = 16 people

30 man chapter - $200 dues = $6000 party

80 man chapter - $100 dues = $8000 party
or
80 man chapter - $200 dues = $4000 party (Fri. night) + $6000 party (Sat. night) + $6000 party/dinner Sun.

Every chapter smaller than the average size (about 40) hurts TKE everywhere.

Don't shut 'em down - give 'em help, give 'em a good advisor, and give 'em a deadline.

Erik P Conard 10-09-2004 02:45 AM

zzzzzzzzzzzzz
 
check my latest on Greek Chat on who is largest. etc.
Kappa Sig, Pike, Sig Ep all having banner years.
TKE installing about 15 this year including revivals but we are
not beating our chest over it.
We are largest without even counting colonies.
We are about to reactivate a dozen or more a year.
We do have a shitty website and apparently no one in HQ
gives a rat's ass about it. It is embarrassing, and all we can
do is complain, and continue to complain.
We still have a lot of drones runnin' the club...excluding Kevin.
Figures put out vary greatly, but in the final analysis, we got all
the hay down we can put up. Yes, we are the largest in terms of
chapters and initiates.
But there's a lot more to do. Let us get busy. now...please


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