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Kevin 06-25-2004 10:55 AM

Judge apologizes for Bush-Hitler remark
 
Judge apologizes for Bush-Hitler remark
Thursday, June 24, 2004 Posted: 10:54 PM EDT (0254 GMT)

NEW YORK (AP) -- A federal judge offered his "profound regret" Thursday for saying President Bush's rise to power was similar to that of Mussolini and Hitler.

Judge Guido Calabresi, 71, of the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Manhattan, drew an audible gasp from lawyers attending Saturday's convention of the American Constitution Society in Washington, according to the New York Sun, which quoted the speech in Monday's editions.

"My remarks were extemporaneous and, in hindsight, reasonably could be -- and indeed have been -- understood to do something which I did not intend, that is, take a partisan position," Calabresi wrote in a letter of apology to Chief Judge John Walker.

Calabresi, a former dean of Yale Law School, was quoted saying the U.S. Supreme Court "put somebody in power" when a ruling it made in December 2000 settled the dispute over whether Bush had defeated Al Gore.

"In a way that occurred before but is rare in the United States ... somebody came to power as a result of the illegitimate acts of a legitimate institution that had the right to put somebody in power," Calabresi said. "The reason I emphasize that is because that is exactly what happened when Mussolini was put in by the king of Italy.

"The King of Italy had the right to put Mussolini in, though he had not won an election, and make him prime minister," the judge continued. "That is what happened when Hindenburg put Hitler in."

Calabresi told the lawyers: "I am not suggesting for a moment that Bush is Hitler. I want to be clear on that, but it is a situation which is extremely unusual."

Calabresi went on to say the public should expel Bush from office to cleanse the democratic system. "That's got nothing to do with the politics of it. It's got to do with the structural reassertion of democracy," Calabresi was quoted saying.

In his letter of apology, Calabresi said he was "deeply sorry" for remarks that were meant as "a rather complicated academic argument about the nature of re-elections after highly contested original elections" -- but that were "too easily taken as partisan."

"That is something which judges should do their best to avoid, and there, I clearly failed," he wrote.

In a letter to the rest of the appeals judges, Walker said Calabresi's "off-the-cuff" comments had been viewed as a call to oppose Bush's re-election. He warned them to refrain from political activity or public endorsements because partisan political comments violate the Code of Judicial Conduct.




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Kevin 06-25-2004 10:56 AM

This guy made a mockery of himself and his judicial position. From what I understand, he's a Clinton apointee. If the Republican house and senate allowed Clinton to appoint Federal judges like this, what the hell is the deal with the Dems holding up Bush's apointees?

This guy is a joke and should resign.

PhiPsiRuss 06-25-2004 10:57 AM

Schmuck
 
What an ignoramus.

DeltAlum 06-25-2004 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
This guy made a mockery of himself and his judicial position. From what I understand, he's a Clinton apointee. If the Republican house and senate allowed Clinton to appoint Federal judges like this, what the hell is the deal with the Dems holding up Bush's apointees?

This guy is a joke and should resign.

Yeah, he probably should.

On the topic of holding up appointments, the Republicans held up hundreds of Clinton appointments as well. It seems to be just a thing that the Senate does -- no matter who is the President.

PhiPsiRuss 06-25-2004 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
Yeah, he probably should.

On the topic of holding up appointments, the Republicans held up hundreds of Clinton appointments as well. It seems to be just a thing that the Senate does -- no matter who is the President.

It hasn't always been that way. I think that it started with Bork.

Peaches-n-Cream 06-25-2004 11:33 AM

Bad things have happened involving judges in NYC lately. This pales in comparison so I doubt that he will resign.
For those of you not from NY, Judge Laura Blackburne let a robbery suspect leave her court as police waited to arrest him. She has been reassigned to civil court as a result. Here is a link to the story.

I think that comparing Bush to Hitler or Mussolini is stupid and insensitive.

Kevin 06-25-2004 11:41 AM

This guy is a Federal Judge though. IMO he should be held to a higher standard.

DeltAlum 06-25-2004 11:44 AM

It kind of reopens the question as to whether Federal Judges should be appointed for life.

Pretty hard to get rid of them.

Kevin 06-25-2004 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
It kind of reopens the question as to whether Federal Judges should be appointed for life.

Pretty hard to get rid of them.

It's a system of checks and balances. I think the judiciary (once the judge is installed) probably has the least to deal with as far as checks on his or her power.

DeltAlum 06-25-2004 12:51 PM

No question. In the long view, a Federal Judge is one of the most powerful folks in the country. More powerful than the President in many ways, because they can immediately enforce their decisions.

KSigkid 06-25-2004 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by PhiPsiRuss
It hasn't always been that way. I think that it started with Bork.
Exactly; since the Bork appt. was held up, it's been open season for each party.

The comment was garbage - not the thing to say, especially in such a setting.

honeychile 06-26-2004 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeltAlum
It kind of reopens the question as to whether Federal Judges should be appointed for life.

Pretty hard to get rid of them.

FWIW, and I know I can't do anything about Federal Judges, I have and never will vote to retain a judge. Too many of them take the bench for granted as it is.

And yes, there probably has been one or two that I should have voted to retain, but that's nothing in comparion.

Kevin 06-26-2004 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by honeychile
FWIW, and I know I can't do anything about Federal Judges, I have and never will vote to retain a judge. Too many of them take the bench for granted as it is.

And yes, there probably has been one or two that I should have voted to retain, but that's nothing in comparion.

There are actually some damned good judges out there. I know of several at the district level that I definitely will vote to retain. Then again, I know of some that I will NOT vote to retain.

If you don't know, I'd suggest just not voting :D


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