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Kevin 06-07-2004 11:48 AM

Countries may face lawsuits in U.S. courts
 
Countries may face lawsuits in U.S. courts
Nazi art case a may boost victims of wartime atrocities

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court ruled Monday that Americans can sue other nations' governments over looted art, stolen property and war crimes dating to the 1930s, a victory for an elderly California woman trying to get back $150 million worth of paintings stolen by the Nazis more than 65 years ago.

Justices said that the governments are not protected from lawsuits in U.S. courts over old claims.

Maria Altmann, who fled Austria, had attended the Supreme Court argument and said justices were one of her last hopes for the return of six Gustav Klimt paintings, including two colorful, impressionistic portraits of her aunt.

She filed a lawsuit against the Austrian government in federal court in California, and won rulings that allowed her to pursue the case.

Justices agreed 6-3, a ruling that emboldens victims of wartime atrocities to pursue lawsuits. Women who claim they were used as sex slaves during World War II have sued Japan, and Holocaust survivors and heirs have brought a case against the French national railroad for transporting more than 70,000 Jews and others to Nazi concentration camps. Those cases are pending at the Supreme Court.

Justice John Paul Stevens, writing for the majority, said that the State Department can still ask courts to dismiss such lawsuits.

But he said that suits are not barred by a 1976 law, or a 1952 U.S. government policy that shielded some countries from lawsuits while allowing suits against some foreign government commercial ventures.

Nazis had looted the possessions of Altmann's wealthy Jewish family, including the prized paintings that now hang in the Austrian Gallery. She and her husband escaped to America after she had been detained and her husband imprisoned in labor camp.

In a dissent, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy joined by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Clarence Thomas said the decision "injects great prospective uncertainty into our relations with foreign sovereigns."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/07/sc....ap/index.html

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I really couldn't believe that Austria wouldn't have made every attempt possible to return looted property to the families that it sent off to concentration camps. The fact that there has to be a lawsuit over this is absurd.

One thing that I think is interesting here though is that the US courts are forcing soveriegn nations to respond to cases brought in our courts against them. However, we won't submit to these foriegn entities in the World Court.

Of course the reason is that one decision is executive policy, while the other is from the Supremes. However, outside the US, it probably looks like typical American ignorance.

I agree though, our justice system IS the best in the world. The fact that these disputes haven't been settled in the countries in which they originated is proof enough for me.

Rudey 06-07-2004 12:00 PM

Re: Countries may face lawsuits in U.S. courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by ktsnake
Countries may face lawsuits in U.S. courts
Nazi art case a may boost victims of wartime atrocities

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court ruled Monday that Americans can sue other nations' governments over looted art, stolen property and war crimes dating to the 1930s, a victory for an elderly California woman trying to get back $150 million worth of paintings stolen by the Nazis more than 65 years ago.

Justices said that the governments are not protected from lawsuits in U.S. courts over old claims.

Maria Altmann, who fled Austria, had attended the Supreme Court argument and said justices were one of her last hopes for the return of six Gustav Klimt paintings, including two colorful, impressionistic portraits of her aunt.

She filed a lawsuit against the Austrian government in federal court in California, and won rulings that allowed her to pursue the case.

Justices agreed 6-3, a ruling that emboldens victims of wartime atrocities to pursue lawsuits. Women who claim they were used as sex slaves during World War II have sued Japan, and Holocaust survivors and heirs have brought a case against the French national railroad for transporting more than 70,000 Jews and others to Nazi concentration camps. Those cases are pending at the Supreme Court.

Justice John Paul Stevens, writing for the majority, said that the State Department can still ask courts to dismiss such lawsuits.

But he said that suits are not barred by a 1976 law, or a 1952 U.S. government policy that shielded some countries from lawsuits while allowing suits against some foreign government commercial ventures.

Nazis had looted the possessions of Altmann's wealthy Jewish family, including the prized paintings that now hang in the Austrian Gallery. She and her husband escaped to America after she had been detained and her husband imprisoned in labor camp.

In a dissent, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy joined by Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist and Clarence Thomas said the decision "injects great prospective uncertainty into our relations with foreign sovereigns."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/06/07/sc....ap/index.html

***

I really couldn't believe that Austria wouldn't have made every attempt possible to return looted property to the families that it sent off to concentration camps. The fact that there has to be a lawsuit over this is absurd.

One thing that I think is interesting here though is that the US courts are forcing soveriegn nations to respond to cases brought in our courts against them. However, we won't submit to these foriegn entities in the World Court.

Of course the reason is that one decision is executive policy, while the other is from the Supremes. However, outside the US, it probably looks like typical American ignorance.

I agree though, our justice system IS the best in the world. The fact that these disputes haven't been settled in the countries in which they originated is proof enough for me.

Why would they? Why would any country? Switzerland is filled with filthy swine who protect their banks - banks that hold money from terrorists and dictators and steal money from innocent people whose families perish in genocides and the holocaust. And when they drive in Italy, it's obvious to spot the Swiss because they drive in the middle of the road so they don't scratch their pretty cars at the expense of other drivers and pedestrians.

-Rudey

Kevin 06-07-2004 12:15 PM

Re: Re: Countries may face lawsuits in U.S. courts
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
Why would they? Why would any country? Switzerland is filled with filthy swine who protect their banks - banks that hold money from terrorists and dictators and steal money from innocent people whose families perish in genocides and the holocaust. And when they drive in Italy, it's obvious to spot the Swiss because they drive in the middle of the road so they don't scratch their pretty cars at the expense of other drivers and pedestrians.

-Rudey

I don't know.. my personal experience with the Swiss was great. I stayed for several days in Lausanne, visited Montreaux. My mother went to the language institute in Lausanne to study French. I have a pretty positive view of the Swiss people.

Of course, their government and banks are probably entirely another story. Those are the kind of Swiss that you probably get to deal with.

PhiPsiRuss 06-07-2004 12:23 PM

Growing up, I always heard that the Swiss were a peaceful, neutral nation. Then it turned out that they weren't so neutral. As far as peaceful goes, they can claim that, but they laundered stolen money for the devil.

GeekyPenguin 06-07-2004 01:04 PM

I'm glad people have the opportunity to do this.

Rudey 06-07-2004 01:09 PM

The thing I don't understand is that you were previously able to sue governments weren't you? People have sued Arab governments on the basis that their governments were protecting terrorists and those Arab terrorists killed their family members. They often win the lawsuits and the settlement is frozen by the government. How is this any different?

-Rudey

Kevin 06-07-2004 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rudey
The thing I don't understand is that you were previously able to sue governments weren't you? People have sued Arab governments on the basis that their governments were protecting terrorists and those Arab terrorists killed their family members. They often win the lawsuits and the settlement is frozen by the government. How is this any different?

-Rudey

Perhaps because these nations have real property in the US that these families can go after? It's also different because we're not talking about rogue states, we're talking about members of NATO.


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