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This article is LONG -- but I found it most interesting, because as a former advisor and division officer, it strikes very close to home.

There is another thread on this under Greek Life, but since there are so many Risk Management issues discussed, I think it's worthwhile having it here as well.

This article was originally published in Beta Theta Pi's magazine.

That’s Fratastic!
Debating Idiot Greek Logic
by Mike McRee

Strap on the boots and get ready for a healthy dose of reality. And believe me, it stings a little. You know, the kind of sting you felt when you were a kid getting the anti-bacterial spray from a cut you had. I’ve been working in the Greek field as both a professional and volunteer for the past eight years. And in all my experiences, I believe that you’re either good or you suck. It’s that simple. That black and white. And that hardcore. And, I believe you know I’m right. Think about it. Alums either get it or they don’t. Administrators either get it or they don’t. Heck, even students either get it or they don’t. Why is that so bad to say?

All of us have worked with people who just aren’t on the bus working toward the common good. I mean, let’s face it. If a student really believes in and is committed to hazing, how much education will it take to convince them differently? The better question is, is that even worth my time?

Now, let me be clear here. When I am distinguishing the difference between people who get it and those who don’t, I’m talking about stylistic differences. I’m talking about the fundamental differences between people and ideas. The people who don’t “get it” right now, but are trying to “get it” or who are willing to learn are the people who get it. It’s those individuals who don’t “get it,” won’t even try to “get it” and don’t care to “get it” those are the ones that I’m saying don’t “get it.”

My perspective may be a little different than most for several reasons. First, I’ve been lucky to have out-of-this-world good advisors and mentors to help me along the way. Second, I traveled initially for the North-American Inter- fraternity Conference and not my fraternity. This forced me to learn how to debate on the issues and not rely on the “come on, brother” style of debate. I walked into rooms and environments where people thought I was affiliated with their chapter, and then found out that I wasn’t. All of a sudden, it moved to the “Why is he here?” conversation. When you start behind the eight ball, you are forced to sink or swim. But from all my travels, there have been some universal themes that have emerged. I have found the following to be true:

What chapters really want: To break the law when they want with no ramifications for their actions; the college newspaper to report only the good things rather than what they are really doing; the police to help the chapter when they want but not enforce the law; to have good grades but skip their classes and play PS2 (Playstation) for five hours a day; to have college let them do what they want because their alumni have money, and to have their cake and eat it too. (Bold type added by DeltAlum)

What is actually happening: We drink too much; we drink more than average students; we binge drink more; we skip class; we cheat more; we test dumber after one year of college; we haze our new members; we do drugs; we are elitist; we are racist; we are homophobic, and we have a higher chance of rape at our parties. DA Note: One could argue that these comments are stereotypical themselves, but read the other posts in this forum.

These last statements about what is actually happening are often the smelling salts that wake me up and compel me to pay attention. Even some of the best Greeks, after hearing these kind of “reality” statements about what is actually happening, immediately jump to the knee jerk response of reciting their campus community service stats or how this is really happening with other students on campus too.

How long are we going to use the “85% of Fortune 500 company executives are Greek” statistics? My response: who cares? Folks, you may not know this, but that research was done by the College Fraternity Editors Association and distributed by the North-American Inter- fraternity Conference (NIC) in the early 90s! Those statistics aren’t even true anymore. If you want the most recent statistics all you have to do is call the NIC and talk with a staff member they have them.

The reality is that the negative actions and events are still happening in our membership
right? So, shut up and deal with the problems. I mean, are we really going to get into a debate of one death, alcohol poisoning or sexual assault equals $30,000 of community service. Maybe because so many U.S. Presidents were Greek it will make it better. Come on people, get real. No one outside of the Greek community thinks like that.

The Underlying Model

This kind of thinking where we try to justify the behavior or our actions but we are really trying to divert others’ (and our own) attention to the positive stuff we also do is just the tip of the iceberg. We want people to see us in a certain light or in a certain way. We want people to like us. We want people to appreciate us. We want more friends to join us. And all of that is completely understandable. We’re human.

This type of surface-level-thinking elicits classic comments like: “The administration hates us,” “The campus newspaper is anti-Greek,” “There’s nothing to do in this town,” “We aren’t the only one’s drinking,” “They do this in the residence halls too,” “We’re not like other universities,” “It’s different here,” “Everyone’s always out to get us” and “Why won’t they just leave us alone.”

But if you begin to look below the surface (and what mental models bring forth these kinds of questions or statements), often times there is a much deeper motive like trying to justify our actions on a Friday and Saturday night because we do a certain amount of community service. This is what I call Idiot Greek Logic: stuff, reasons, explanations and rationale that have been passed down from uneducated chapter member to uneducated chapter member, year after year. You know it is passed down, and students try and use it even when it’s not true. “They should leave us alone, because we do so much for the campus. I mean, this campus would be dead if it wasn’t for the Greeks. We do everything student government, student alumni board, homecoming, Greek week we do all of that. And besides our grades are above the all-men’s GPA.”

On almost all campuses, these series of statements are so wrong it’s hard to know where to begin what makes it almost comical is that several other organizations raised more money than the Greeks for community service, Greeks weren’t well represented throughout all organizations and the Greek’s grades weren’t higher than the average male or female on campus. Students have just been taught to say that.

The Hidden Meaning

When you break down the hidden meaning, you help to connect the dots on what is really going on. Over time and without being challenged, people inappropriately attach meaning to events and situations often times they are wrong. But if this goes unchecked overtime, it is easy to see how things get passed down from generation to generation. It’s the blind leading the blind. You can debate these issues on an individual action/behavior level or at a chapter level.
It is very important to separate the facts. Then you can facilitate a conversation about choices and consequences. Then and only then, can you begin to have a conversation of whether or not they like it. An example to illustrate this point is alcohol-free housing (AFH.) First, we must discuss and define what AFH actually means, factually. Second, we can talk about what the consequences are for not following the rules, policies, law, etc. Then we can have a conversation about how the thinking age should really be 18 and how much we dislike this law.
That order and progression enables you, the debater, to focus on each issue, one at a time, instead of in layers. Another way to do this is to take an issue and separate what they think the behavior is accomplishing, and what it is actually doing.

Here are a few examples:
A new member is required to clean the house. They say it teaches respect for the house and instills the value of having a clean house (because they don’t currently respect it. . . or need to prove they have respect for it.) None of the new members actually dirty the chapter house. Why? Because they know they have to clean it up. It’s only the older chapter members who don’t respect the house, or who are lazy, who take their dinner plates and cups upstairs and leave them outside their door. When you know you have to clean it up in two days, there isn’t any incentive for making it dirty now.

New members who don’t pass and/or get a question right on their new member tests have to do 50 push-ups. They say it teaches new members that the history is important and a good member is able to recite it immediately. If doing push-ups leads to better memory retention, then everyone must do 400-500 before each class exam, right? Besides, if the history is that important for all members to know, then why don’t we test the seniors? Sadly, knowing the history has nothing to do with actually acting on the Fraternity’s values on a daily basis.

Debating Greek Logic

I have to admit that when a chapter member mentions one of the statements (shown above,) I have an internal bell that starts ringing. It’s like I’ve hit the jackpot. The mother load. The gold mine. These are the quintessential things I’ve heard over time that just smell of “I’ve personally never really thought about this myself. . . but someone told me that It’s like I’m saying to myself, “Wow, now I’m just going to have to make an example of you.” I really don’t feel like I’m trying to be malicious, but I honestly can no longer stand to have Idiot Greek Logic around me.
In the end, I have found it important to try to get in the student’s head. You have to think about it from their perspective, angle and situation. If you think about where they are and given that
how can you illustrate your point in the most effective way?

You have to know and be where they are in order to know where you need to take them in the conversation. The best way to do this is to actually think about what you did as a student at their age, remember what you were thinking about and dealing with and then try to understand what was the ultimate purpose or goal of what we were doing and is there another, more efficient and better way to do this?

The Truth Hurts

All problems in fraternities lie between what we say we do and what we actually do.
Between what you say to me when I’m going through recruitment. . . and what actually happens when I join. Between what you tell your General Fraternity happens on Friday and Saturday night
and what actually happens on Friday and Saturday night. Between what you tell your parents, what you tell your Greek advisor and what you tell the chapter advisor. . . Between how you tell everyone how important academics and scholarship are.. . and what your actual chapter GPA is (or what percentage the chapter budget is allocated for scholarship.)

It comes down to this: We have good and bad members in all of our chapters. Who’s opinion and thoughts win out decides whether or not our fraternities and sororities are around in the upcoming years. If we want to win the fight, we must become better at debating those uneducated chapter members. And even more importantly, we need to help train other students to be just as effective in those arguments with their peers. Good luck and keep up the fight! j

Mike McRee is director of marketing and development for LeaderShape, Inc. (www.leadershape.org.) He is also a team member of COMPASS and one of the assistant executive directors for the Mid-American Greek Council Association. McRee is a former Greek advisor at the University of Oregon and a consultant for the North-American Interfraternity Conference.

DA comment. Whether you want to believe it or not, there is a lot of truth in this. Again, if you want to argue, just read about the chapters in trouble in this forum. We can do better, and we need to desperately.