Toast Song survey - Region III
 

Brothers, Pledges, Alumni, and Petitioners of Region III:

I encourage every member of Alpha Phi Omega in Region III to please visit http://www.apor3.org/toastsong.php and participate in the Toast Song survey.

We'd like to have as many student responses as possible - INCLUDING pledges and petitioners, as well as Brothers. So, please pass this link along in your chapters.

Thank you!

Hey do you have to be in Region III to vote? I'm in Region IV!!!

TS debate
 

Per the National Convention of 2002, each Region is to convene a committee and investigate the Toast Song 'debate.' I know there was a workshop on this at the Region IV Conference. However, Region III is gathering the opinions of all members in this Region for our report, which is due in July. You can participate in the survey - but it won't be counted in the tally for the purposes of the Region III report.

I posted the survey link here, b/c I know that there are a LOT of III-Brothers lurking here! :-)

Re: TS debate
 

I posted the survey link here, b/c I know that there are a LOT of III-Brothers lurking here! :-) [/B][/QUOTE]

Like me! I submitted my 2 cents already. Thanks, Jamie!

SMH
 

I knew that this would re-surface again. Why not change the colors while we're at it??lol. I disagree with the "possibility" of altering the lyrics, but that just my opinion.

Strawter

I think the next thing will be whether or not to use the term sister and then get a program for sisterhood.

I believe those that choose to change the fraternity after they became a member may be regreting the choice they made, and the changes that they persue are with the hope that it might make them feel much better about that decision.

If you look at the changes made in the past you can see where, some ideas where cosmetic changes designed to allow certain members to feel more like they were meant to be apart of the organization, they made the decision to be apart of.

like the statement of Frank Reed Horton. Changing "to give men.." to say that he said "to give people" How can you change what the founder of your organization once said. In Alpha Phi Omega, anything is fair ground.

All the years of the multi-tude of members were assembled in the hall of the convention. And when the toast song was sung, everybody young and old knew the words. Shatter that, and you'll everybody sounding like jibber-jabber. Some singing it different than the individuals who have it memorized.

I agree. I strongly feel that the word sister should not exist in a fraternity.

I totally disagree with the changing of the words of the founder. It's like the original purpose. How can you change what was purposed. If this was the purpose of the fraternity and why it was founded, why have we changed it? As a woman in a fraternity, I knew I was joining a fraternity. If I wanted to be in a sorority I would have joined one. I don't feel the need to change the toast song to make me feel welcome.

I don't agree with that. I think if the toast song is changed *hopefully it won't be* but if it is, then I think people will learn the new one or not sing it.

Why would think they would not sing it. If they only knew one for 5 to twenty years why would they want to sing anything else but what they have been taught and have been singing for years and years. How bout the ones that don't even know a change was made. You have everybody singing a toast song, not the toast song. Right now, everybody can sing in unison. Some changes break down bonds. And when you have equal passion on both sides, you drive a stake down the middle of those passionate sides.

Possible changes
 

With Jaybee's point, I think that *if* a change is made that the addition of a third verse would be least disruptive. Sure, some chapters like my undergrad chapter would have to figure out new physical motions. (We go from arms over neighbors shoulders in verse 1 to arms crossed in second verse), but I think that would be less disruptive than the change to "true to".

Having said that, most of the people in most toast song circles have learned the toast song less than 5 years prior...

Randy

A third verse! I can see the momentary fading silence now as the people who didn't know the change on paper, mumbles as if they knew what the words were, faking it like we would a gospel hymn we never heard before. I'm sure that some people will evently learn the "new" verse over time. But since the split exist from those that are favored and those that have been opposed, you still might have other dropping off after the second verse.

Just as we were split in 1964 over the addition of the second verse.

Randy

Hmmm.... I dont agree with a change either.

So you do realize that there would be a split. I didn't realize this toast song was as it is, since Frank Reed Horton was alive in 1964. That in itself is amazing. Because so many things has been changed since his time, that largest symbol of fellowship in this fraternity has survived to be sung one way. So here we are singing the toast song, just as it was sung by our very own founder. That has to mean something, to somebody besides me.