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ThetaPrincess24 12-10-2003 10:06 PM

Top Ten Liberal Morons
 
This is in response to GP's post about conservatives........only fair that we have a liberal thread (eventhough i know most of you are liberals, but we must be fair and balanced here).

No particular order, just the first ten that have entered my mind:

1) Howard Dean
2) Al Gore
3) Hillary Clinton
4) Bill Clinton
5) Al Franken
6) Paul Patton(former governor of Kentucky as of this week)
7) Gray Davis
8)Al Sharpton
9) Barbara Streisand
10)Alec Baldwin
11)Nadine Strossen (president ACLU)

okay so maybe that's more than ten :)

AlphaGam1019 12-10-2003 10:30 PM

you forgot Michael "asshat"Moore and Al Franken.

GeekyPenguin 12-10-2003 10:31 PM

And reasons. :p

PhiPsiRuss 12-10-2003 10:34 PM

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Originally posted by GeekyPenguin
And reasons. :p
I'll gibe you a reason for Alex Baldwin. While campaigning for Al Gore, he promised to move to Canada if George W. Bush was elected. Baldwin is still here.

AlphaGam1019 12-10-2003 10:48 PM

ripped off http://www.mooreexposed.com/

Michael Moore is a bit of a paradox. A millionaire who boasts of wealth as proving his value -- "I'm a millionaire, I'm a multi-millionaire. I'm filthy rich. You know why I'm a multi-millionaire? 'Cause multi-millions like what I do. That's pretty good, isn't it?"

He lives in a million-dollar apartment, and boasts of that as well. "I walk among them. I live on the island of Manhattan, a three-mile-wide strip of land that is luxury home and corporate suite to America's elite..... Those who run your life live in my neighborhood. I walk in the streets with them each day" (Michael Moore, Stupid White Men, p. 51).

He sends his child to a private school -- no sense associating with the working class -- and has some trouble associating with them himself. The New York Post reported on a tantrum he threw in London: "Then, on his second-to-last night, [Michael Moore] raged against everyone connected with the Roundhouse and complained that he was being paid a measly $750 a night. 'He completely lost the plot,' a member of the stage crew told the London Evening Standard. 'He stormed around all day screaming at everyone, even the 5 pound-an-hour bar staff, telling them how we were all con men and useless. Then he went on stage and did it in public.' At his last appearance, staffers refused to work or even open the theater's doors." NY Post, Jan. 8, 2003.

He supplements his meager income with speaking tours (No more $750 gigs; he charged Cornell students $10,000, , Univ. of Texas ones $25,000, told the Penn State ones he could be had for a modest $15-20,000 a night, and most recently, when Kansas University students asked for him, "Moore -- a noted political activist and Academy Award-winning filmmaker -- had raised eyebrows by asking for more than $30,000 to speak at KU." Ah, the joys of capitalism....)

And ....

His major themes are his status as the spokesman of the working class, the vices and corruptions of wealth, and the evils of the United States.

It would be easy to denounce Moore as a hypocrite. Many conservatives denounce him as a leftist, when in fact the serious left, the thinking left, generally finds him appalling. He is, in short, the latest in the modern breed of Limosine Leftists -- individuals who, while personally they share the values of 19th century robber barons, find it flattering to adopt a thin (and personally meaningless) veneer of leftism as a pose, in the same manner they pick a flattering hair style or gown. (A left-leaning critic of Moore summed up the situation very nicely: Moore's appeal lies in his giving wealthy, over-educated, whites an opportunity to laugh at working-class whites.)

But enough on Michael Moore as a person. Let's examine his output.

A consistent theme can be found throughout his work, and that is a theme of deception any time it is useful. Moore fixes upon a conclusion and, when the data do not exist, simply invents them.


Bowling for Columbine

A look at Bowling for Columbine (my main analysis to date). In producing his Oscar-winner, Moore altered history, misled his viewers, and edited the footage and audio in such a way as to reverse the meaning. In one case, he took a speech of a person he desired to target; the problem was that the speech was in fact conciliatory and mild. So he spliced in footage from another speech, cut out paragraphs, and spliced the beginning of one sentence to the ending of another. In another, when he wanted to criticize a political advertisement, but it wasn't as pointed as he wanted, he spliced together two different political ads, then added titling which was in neither.


Stupid White Men

A short review of his perhaps autobiographical Stupid White Men. Here we learn such shocking things as -- 200,000 Americans are dying of Mad Cow Disease and no one knows it; Bush secretly stole the election by having Florida bar convicted felons (which Moore maintains were great Gore supporters) from voting; Nader did the Demos a big favor by running in 2000; Enron is a great investment. Okay, Mike.


Dude, Where's My Country?

Another of his books --Dude, Where's My Country, (page still under construction.) In this tome we learn "There is no terrorist threat," (p. 95) and Richard Nixon was the last liberal President, (p. 193). (Even more amusingly, in chapter 8 Moore pledges to contribute the limit to whichever Democrat has the best chance of winning (p. 162) and then in chapter 11 tells the reader that the Democrats are "professional losers," that "Democratic Party leaders have told me something they will not admit in public -- that they have basically written off 2004; that they see little chance of defeating George W. Bush" (p. 204) and that they might as well run Oprah Winfrey. (p. 206).)

Peaches-n-Cream 12-10-2003 11:00 PM

These people really aren't morons. Some are Ivy League grads.

I find it funny that it is a top ten list and contains eleven names, lol!

wreckingcrew 12-10-2003 11:19 PM

You left off Bill Maher.

ETA: Cream, by that rationale, Bush is off of the Conservative morons list, as he is an Ivy League alum as well.



Kitso
KS 361

AlphaGam1019 12-10-2003 11:23 PM

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Originally posted by Peaches-n-Cream
These people really aren't morons. Some are Ivy League grads.

so? the "conservative idiots list" have some Ivy League grads in it to...whats your point?

kappaloo 12-11-2003 12:04 AM

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Originally posted by AlphaGam1019
ripped off http://www.mooreexposed.com/

This is pretty onesided I think....

adduncan 12-11-2003 12:07 AM

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Originally posted by kappaloo
This is pretty onesided I think....
As was the "conservative idiots" listing.

What's the difference?

Adrienne
:)

Munchkin03 12-11-2003 12:07 AM

I can think of stupider liberals, and give legitimate reasons for their stupidity. :p

AlphaGam1019 12-11-2003 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by kappaloo
This is pretty onesided I think....
ahh yes and the democraticunderground is very fair. :rolleyes:

kappaloo 12-11-2003 12:23 AM

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Originally posted by adduncan
As was the "conservative idiots" listing.

What's the difference?

I was refering to the Michael Moore Shpel... I didn't read the conservative idiot bit. I wouldn't agree with it though.... Simply listing "idiots" without any sort of justification is kinda immature in my perspective.


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Originally posted by AlphaGam1019
ahh yes and the democraticunderground is very fair. :rolleyes:
The existance of one doesn't neccessarly justify the other. Micheal Moore is far more complicated that that piece suggests. I'm not going to get into that here though... (attempting not the hijack)



I guess I'm just sick of the need to bash the opposition tonight. (yes yes I do my share)... but I don't know... if all you can do is bash the opposition - what does that say about your opinion.

kafromTN 12-11-2003 12:36 AM

slight hijack here


All the Democrats have done is bash the opposition. They haven't said how they are better or given any reason as to how they will make things better for the American people. All they did was bash the tax cuts&the economy, then when it approves they bashed the Iraq policy and made statements to the effect that Bush sent troops to Iraq illegally, yet they support our troops and voted to give Bush permission (he was given an approval by an act of Congress), but if having the troops in Irag is illegal than the troops themselves are criminals for partaking in this illegal action(just food for thought).

The ideas I have heard do sound like wealth redistribution which I'm not a big fan of, but then again I want to be rich one day so I would like to nip that in the bud now.

I agree bashing your opponent without putting some forth of a platform is pathetic, but the Republicans have a platform that they sincerely believe in while the Democrats are working on a platform. To me that reeks of bullshit, they will create a platform which they think people will vote for, not what they believe in. I would rather follow someone who I disagree with slightly, but who truly believes in what he is fighting for and has the most sincere intentions behind it, than some group who says what you want to hear and has no intention of ever following through with it.

I am now giving up control of this thread.

-Mark

kappaloo 12-11-2003 12:42 AM

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Originally posted by kafromTN
I agree bashing your opponent without putting some forth of a platform is pathetic, but the Republicans have a platform that they sincerely believe in while the Democrats are working on a platform. To me that reeks of bullshit, they will create a platform which they think people will vote for, not what they believe in. I would rather follow someone who I disagree with slightly, but who truly believes in what he is fighting for and has the most sincere intentions behind it, than some group who says what you want to hear and has no intention of ever following through with it.
I so agree in principle!!! Now, remember that I'm not exactly 'up' in American Politics (I only get what is in Canadian tv/newspapers - American news is too depressing to watch)... but I agree... if you're going to say that something is wrong, you better say how you can fix it! To bash without cause is pointless...

That's what the PCs did last election here... and it totally didn't help them. How confident can you sound if you can only say how everyone else sucks!

Umm... I'll stop hijacking now too.


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