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If an undergrad is initiated and then transfer to another school and is voted into the chapter at that school, is their name supposed to be blacked out on the scroll of the first school?

I'm a transfer and I just wondered if my original chapter was supposed to do that. ZN, this seems to be a topic that would fall under your bread and butter.

YITB,
EK A XI

My interpretation
 

We have a frater in our chapter who is a transfer from another school. We recognize him by the chapter he was initiated through, however, his seniority in the chapter is that merely of the year by which he was initiated.

Transfer fraters are great because they offer insight and new ideas from their old chapter. I think it's great and further shows that once you're Teke, you're in it no matter how far away from home you are (I hope that made sense).

You can be accepted in to a chapter after transfering but you can't sign their scroll. Once your a member of one chapter that will be your chapter and scroll number forever. If IHQ ever caught wind you tried to change scroll numbers with the new chapter they wouldn't be very happy.

But what about if you are the founding member of a recolonization? That is the only reason I ask this question. Since this is not a normal situation, is this something I should be asking IHQ?

That is a good question
 

Good question man. The thought of recolonization never occurred to me. I know there is a guy from our chapter that helped start a colony at another university in my state, but I'm not sure what they did for him. He still goes by his scroll number from here, but with the recolonization variable thrown into the equation it does raise an interesting point. I'd say your best bet is to talk to IHQ. Good luck. I hope everything turns out the way you like man.

And for ZNTKE, why would IHQ be pissed if you were to change your scroll number from one chapter to another if you transferred? I'm sure it would cause some confusion, but would it be all that bad? I'm sure there's more to it than I realize, but I'm not aware of any major difficulties in doing this. Please explain if you can.

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Well maybe pissed is the wrong word. Their would be alot of confusion, and their is the possiblity you would be counted twice. From what I understand once you leave your active chapter and are in good standing IHQ views you as alumni. And since they concider you alumni the chapter you are helping restart you are doing it as alumni and can be concidered a "honorary founder" but can't sign the scroll. You can do it only once as far as I know and can see in the black book. I have known guys to help reconize a chapter but they were never given a scroll number for that chapter. If that was the case Buckwheat would be a member of alot of chapters! I am not 100% sure but I am pretty sure you can't get a scroll number with the chapter you are restarting. IHQ can give you the only definate answer on this.

i have heard of people who transfer chapters being granted a "half scroll". Basically they sign inbetween two fraters names at their new chapter, therefore being granted half a scroll number (for example if somebody signed below my name they would be 74 1/2) From what i understand there is nothing official about it (ie International doesn't get notified), but it allows the new frater to feel more a part of his new chapter.

As far as I know you can have more than one scroll number. The one you initiated in and any others that may initate you as an honorary. One of our chapter brothers was initiated as an honorary at another chapter for helping found their chapter.

The question did IHQ know he was already a brother?

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Your scroll number and chapter will always be the same. I was
a transfer to Alpha Phi--KU. I kept my Gamma Phi 133, but was
given 341.1 or something at KU, and the other transfers were
341.2., 341.3, 341.4, etc. Each chapter can use whatever they
wish in terms of scroll/initiation date/seniorty.\
Helping to recolonize or revive a dead TKE chapter enables you
to be a charter member, i.e., your name on the charter. You just
do not sign the scroll as you are ALREADY a frater.
Hope this clears things up. If you are on a campus where TKE
has an inactive chapter, work to revive it...it will be an experience
you will cherish all your life. YITB, Erik Conard, KoA, CFC,
Denver Alumni Chapter...we are having best year ever in Colo!

In my last 2 or 3 semesters as an undergra, we just have 5 or 6 transfers overall, so to find out more we talked to HQ a little and our BOA, what we understood from that was if you really want you can give the guy your own chapter scroll, but you don't have to, and you can grant him like probationary status in your chapter if your not sure on if he's a good frater or not,

for the scroll senority, there's different schools of thought on that too... in my travels some places if your initatied say fall 2001, and someone was initated spring 2002 and got order of the founders, that person has rank on you since he's reached the next level of achievement. and same goes for KCL. this is mostly a way to keep people going always for the next level instead of sittin on their butt.

otherwise, i've mostly heard that it would go first by initation date, and if the date is the same, then by chapter designation. so both intiatied Jan 1st, alpha chapter would have scroll on beta chapter.

there's many different ideas out there, and i know some places senority means alot, like choice of rooms in the house or that kinda thing, but if your chapter starts taking scroll and abusing it, brotherhood problems are sure to follow shortly, so be careful before opening a can of worms.

Calling scroll has died at my chapter. It was a very common thing back in my early years but now, calling scroll just isn't respected and is ignored.

yea that tends to happen when it's overused and people who haven't earned it use it alot... it's all about respect. for your elders, for those who have acomplished alot, but it's not anything necessary, alot of places are just better off not using it for anything but another form of ID...

We don't use it for anything more than"scroll go grab me a beer" or "scroll: shotgun". it is a fun thing, nothing serious, it entitles those who have put "their time in" to benifits.

personally, the phrase "put their time in" doesn't sit well with me... maybe i've heard it too much from deatbeat Tekes... "i've been active for 3 years, i did my time, go see if someone else will do it." I know not everyone can remain active in TKE, but how can we remain the biggest with some of the smallest alumni support?