Is this fair?
 

http://www.lanthorn.com/news.asp?type=NS&aid=1756

I know that there has to be more to than meets the eye, but I still do not see, if the guys were defending themselves, how the school can justify withdrawing recognition.

That's some messed up stuff there!

sounds kinda fishy to me...

seriously... if every school decided to disown a fraternity or sorority even, for being involved in a fight, we wouldn't have a greek life. the reporter might have failed to add that the fraternity had a failing overall GPA and the fight was the final straw. Who knows....

I'm sick of this. It's almost never the Greeks themselves who start this shit. Most of the time it's people who don't even go to the school.

I think we need (at my school anyway) to go back to the invite list. Too many times this has happened and since we're the organization it's always our fault.

Re: Is this fair?
 

"It's a continued pattern of unacceptable behavior. There continues to be issues with how those guys operate," Stoll said.

Sure would be nice to know what contributed to the, "continued pattern," wouldn't it? Not a whole lot of information in the article.

Maybe the chapter got nailed or maybe not, but you'd sure never figure it out with the information provided. It certainly sounds like self defense, but we don't know what led up to the fight, or other mitigating factors.

There must be some ongoing problem, though, if even the chapter suggested a two year suspension for itself.

The student senate president sounds like the usual moron lol . . I have known a few :)

they may only be going through the appeals to satisfy their nationals... this would be a dream come true for the organizations at my school. nationals comes down, investigates, finds out the GLO did nothing wrong, leaves them with a charter still on the wall. the GLO no longer has to listen to IFC and can rush however they want, whenever they want, and do anything they want b/c the only authority they would have to listen to would be nationals and the law. and most nationals don't care unless you are breaking major laws. and with all the money they would save by not having to pay IFC's BS fines for this and that they could throw the biggest bad ass parties and no one could do anything about it... like i said, a dream come true for most GLO's. i've been wishing for something like that for 3 years now...


ryan

Have e-m the president of the Sig Ep House about this. Is the first one I found that had something I could try to find out something on the situation.

Will post when it / if I get something back!

I to would like to get more info on this. I hope is not another witch hunt via the Acedemia! Know what I mean?

Hope I get something back! Ta Da, more to vcome!
Hell, I am not going to erase the V!!

Re: Is this fair?
 

Complete B.S., the TKE's got shafted big time, I feel sorry for them. If it was ANY other student organization (i.e. non-greek) I guarantee it would have been ignored.

- RUgreek

very true... we have non-greek orgs that have been caught hazing around here and they are still on campus with no publicity about it and no consequences.


ryan

Oh man. We've got a TKE chapter at my school and even though i'm not their biggest fan, I say that punishment was way too harsh. It's unfortunate that an outsider had to do that and ruin the reputation of Greeks. I'd go so far as to say that this is bullshit, clean and simple.

I agree that the TKE's got shafted. As some of you know I don't exactly have high praises for the TKE's on my own campus. But, these guys were shafted hard by the school.

And ryan I hate to burst your bubble but I've talked to people who are either connected with our Nationals or who have worked for another GLO's nationals. That would be great if they came down and kept the charter on the wall. But, in all reality we must all remember that to nationals this is a business, business doesn't deal well with bad press whether it was self-defense or not. I mean look at O.J. he was aquitted and still alot of people think he's guilty. Nationals is most likely not going to keep a charter at a school without university recognition, unless they school has shown they are grossly incompetent in handling greek affairs. Such as the IFC has no real power and the school can't do anything about rushing and such.
Remember no matter how much brotherhood and sisterhood everyone shows, to nationals if you're making them lose money you're not a profitable venture. You are seen to them as a money making one. Look at the chapters in your org that have higher dues and are from richer schools, they usually get more money and support and what not from nationals where as the smaller and poorer chapters often get shafted in stuff.

it is fair
 

they sent the kid to the hospital. the tke's are just a bunch of partyers and drunks and they were a sore on this campus. good riddance.

-gvsu

I am new but IFC President of this University
 

I am new to this website but as soon as I read some of the forums, I was very interested. As far as this situation goes and what you may believe or feel, this is the standpoint. The TKE's here at our campus have been consistently getting into trouble, ever since I have been Greek here. That night was just a trouble to add to their previous list. They were kicked off because of there consistent troubles and in their appeals and such, they were determined to ruin their chances by acting inmature and not very intelligently. They are able to appeal this sanction each year but will only come back if they improve their act. That article was poorly written and left out important facts. So just to clear that up, hope you understand. Our Greek System has been shakin' by this so don't think it was something we wanted.