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DoggyStyle82 10-28-2002 11:50 PM

Sigmas and Zetas Catch a Beatdown by Campus Cops
 
NEWS
WPU fights draw police, dogs
Some football players implicated as series of fights results in several arrests, allegations of Pitt police misconduct
by GREG HELLER-LaBELLE & CHRISTINE CLAUS
Staff Report
October 22, 2002

A Friday night dance party in the William Pitt Union erupted into violence that required intervention by campus and city police, whose dogs bit at least one student early Saturday. The adviser to Phi Beta Sigma, the group that hosted the event, said the conflict developed when a group of eight men, at least some of whom he later identified as Pitt football players, clashed with partygoers.
Both Pitt police Chief Tim Delaney and Phi Beta Sigma adviser Nathan James described the event as positive and peaceful until the trouble developed at about 1:15 a.m. when, according to James' brother, William, one of the newcomers shoved a partygoer and was punched in retaliation. Fraternity brothers restrained the man who was punched before he could fight back, according to both Delaney and William James.

Delaney and William James said Pitt police officers took the newcomer into the lobby and pinned him into a corner. James further said the man was handcuffed and then later let go.

"Somehow, he never made it to jail," Nathan James said.

But Delaney said that, to his knowledge, the man was never handcuffed. Rather, the crowd that numbered between 300 and 400 began emptying into the lobby and the officer who was pinning the man released him in order to deal with the crowd, Delaney said.

As the crowd flooded into the lobby, according to Nathan James, the fighting between the rival groups rekindled.

It was at that point, around 1:20 a.m., according to Zeta Phi Beta member Summer Haston, that a Pitt police officer punched her as she was leaving.

"He just came and cracked me," she said. "He just hit me across my face."

As Pitt police radioed for backup, Delaney said, Zone 6 Pittsburgh city police picked up the call and came to the Union with a K-9 unit containing several police dogs, which Nathan James said were barking at students.

"Once they got everybody out of the Union, people were pretty much just hanging around, that's when they brought the dogs out," Nathan James said. "They wanted people to basically just go home, so they brought out dogs."

Lieutenant Michael Piasecki, the acting commander of Zone 6 police, said having K-9 units at a fight with a crowd as large as the one that night is normal.

"It's standard procedure to bring as many people as we can," Piasecki said, adding that with a situation that threatens to get out of control, any units, K-9 or not, would be called in to help if available.

Haston and Nathan James said the crowd was scared of the dogs, which Haston and James characterized as out of control, as police directed the dogs toward fleeing partygoers in an effort to get them to disperse.

According to Haston, "one of the police officers said 'get out of here before I get the dog on you,' and when he said that, the dog attacked him, and I'm like 'you don't even have your dogs under control,'" she said.

"The dog literally just turned around and jumped on this officer and started biting him, and he's like 'down, down, down!'"

William James said that, as he walked by a K-9 police officer, a dog jumped at him. Then, he said his friend from Pennsylvania State University-Erie, identified by several sources as Khalif Rhodes, stepped into the dog's path and was bitten. As the dog was biting Rhodes, William James said another of his friends, Gerald Stevens, pushed the dog off and was bitten as well.

"It seemed like they were in the mindset of 'let's crack some heads,'" William James said.

He added that both Rhodes and Stevens, as well as another person named Robert Allen Carter - nicknamed "B.J." - who was hit with a police baton during the night, were arrested and taken away, despite their efforts to calm down the crowd and reason with police.

"If you did talk, just like Khalif, B.J. and Gerald, you were getting arrested," he said. "They were just looking for people to take to jail."

Piasecki said he had a record of Stevens' arrest for failure to disperse, obstruction, defiant trespass and taunting a police canine, and Delaney said Pitt police arrested Carter for inciting a riot and failure to disperse, and cited a Pitt student named Corey Alston, but neither had any record of Rhodes or his arrest.

Piasecki also said Stevens, after being bitten, was taken to a hospital in accordance with protocol. He said any threatening gesture made toward the dog or the dog's handler could have resulted in the dog reacting violently.

Nathan James said a third fight then began outside of the Union, near the bronze panther statue at around 1:45 a.m., and that afterward, a member of the football team made a call from his cell phone and told the person on the other end to "bring the shit," which Nathan James said he took to mean guns.

"What happened was they lost the fight, so they were very upset because they lost the fight and they're the football team and they're really not supposed to lose the fight I guess," Nathan James said.

He said after 2 a.m., he and some of the brothers went to the Original Hot Dog Shop, where members of the football team who had been in the fights met them, and lifted up their shirts to reveal guns.

"They went and got guns and chased us around campus," he said.

Nathan James said the fraternity brothers then ran out, and went back to convene in Litchfield Towers lobby, where they told a Pitt police officer about the gun-wielding football players. He said the officer gave a noncommittal answer, but did not radio for help or to look into it.

Nathan James said he heard the name of a specific Pitt football player brought up during the evening as one of the men with a gun, but could not identify him firsthand. Haston also provided a description of one of the players she said saw, and said she heard a nickname spoken during the fight that she knew to be a name used by one of the football players.

"There was a lot of no-names, but everybody knew they were on the football team," William James said. "Basically, every time I've been over there, it has been the football team. They're constantly at parties, no matter whose party it is ... They just don't know how to act. They bully everybody, they try to push people because they're the football team."

Nathan James also said the only Pitt football player he recognized came into the Union "to try to make peace" and keep the two groups from fighting. He said the player is the one who informed him of the other football players' identity as student athletes. He also said he and the player plan to meet this week to discuss how to keep future altercations from happening.

"He was really trying to calm the situation along with me," Nathan James said.

National Pan-Hellenic Council President Nicole Cofer said NPHC will conduct its own investigation in order to prevent future problems.

Nathan James said he and others were at the county courthouse from 3 a.m. Saturday to 10 p.m. that night, where he said the judge released Rhodes of his own accord and Carter on $3,000 bail. He called the judge's behavior during the hearing "completely inappropriate," and said the judge made jokes about Stevens' injury and used profanity in the courtroom, then asked the clerk for a bail recommendation. Nathan James said the clerk then replied, "$5,000 for taunting the dog," which was then the amount served as bail to Stevens.

According to Nathan James, Stevens was never read his rights but detained until 10 p.m. as well. His hearing is Oct. 29.

Haston said that, after she was hit, she asked the officer for his name and badge number. She said he refused to give them at first, and then gave her a false name and number.

She said that, when she got outside, a city police officer, upon seeing her sorority shirt, identified himself as a "Kappa," meaning a member of Kappa Alpha Psi fraternity, and asked her what was going on. She said she told him about the officer who had hit her, and the city officer said the behavior sounded like a specific officer in the Pitt police force.

Haston said she intends to file charges against the officer, which, according to Delaney, will be handled under the protocol for internal investigation of a civilian complaint, a standard procedure regulating how complaints are managed. He said he will meet with her tomorrow.

Black Action Society President DeShaun Sewell called the actions of the Pitt and City police "unacceptable."

"This is not 1965," she said. "There was no need for people to be punched in the face."

She also said the use of dogs was unnecessary and that BAS supports any actions taken by National Pan-Hellenic Council, but expressed concern about Pitt's role.

"An administration that allows this to happen is clearly one that does not care about the needs of black students," she said.

Swamp Thang 11-01-2002 08:55 AM

Bruh, you know this story is funny to me
 
This story just shows the same problem with a different Frat. In the South, I've never known the Sigmas to have a problem with 'the football team' because almost every team down here is full of Sigmas. That's our and the Kappa's m.o...

Team, it's just like when we beat the football teams arse in early August and broke dudes ankle and put him out for the year. In a brawl, people can get hurt. And when it's one of the football team, it fuggs'um up mentally.

Most of these football team vs the Greek Frats problems are solved by the Greeks 'infiltrating' the football squad or by basic common courtesy and respect.

When we had Bruhs on the squad from '96-'98, we had NO PROBLEMS with the football team.

DoggyStyle82 11-01-2002 07:24 PM

Re: Bruh, you know this story is funny to me
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Swamp Thang
This story just shows the same problem with a different Frat. In the South, I've never known the Sigmas to have a problem with 'the football team' because almost every team down here is full of Sigmas. That's our and the Kappa's m.o...

Team, it's just like when we beat the football teams arse in early August and broke dudes ankle and put him out for the year. In a brawl, people can get hurt. And when it's one of the football team, it fuggs'um up mentally.

Most of these football team vs the Greek Frats problems are solved by the Greeks 'infiltrating' the football squad or by basic common courtesy and respect.

When we had Bruhs on the squad from '96-'98, we had NO PROBLEMS with the football team.

The Sigmas caught a beatdown last year at Temple Univ. by the football team. I don't know what is in the water these days. Must be a northern thing. It always used to be the Bruhz that were either football players or were scrapping with them. As the Greek World turns.

FinerImage1920 11-08-2002 04:38 AM

Excuse me for intruding but I must agree with some of the comments that were made about the situation. I went to school in the south *the dirty dirty* and more than half of the football team were Sigmas, so yes I am having a hard time believing this story as well.

I'm upset that my fam had to go through this, but I am more pissed off at the fact that the officer hit my soror in the face. :mad:

I'm waiting to see the outcome of this situation.

sphinxpoet 11-11-2002 11:08 AM

Up in the North Schools have a lot of rules preventing atheletes to pledge greek orgs. So a lot of them are envious and are threaned by Greek life. IE on some campuses the football team see the Frats as competition for the women on campus! Worse off they will try to stroll/hop at greek parties cause they claim to be a "brotherhood" and they end up in a ton of fights with the Frats.

Sphinxpoet

AKA2D '91 11-13-2002 05:50 PM

What?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by sphinxpoet
Up in the North Schools have a lot of rules preventing atheletes to pledge greek orgs.

Get outta here! Maybe that's why some of them eventually become Graduate members.

Steeltrap 11-13-2002 05:53 PM

Did this also apply at some Southern institutions?
 
Well, I once read many years ago where "Sugar" Shaquille O'Neal had his basketball scholarship threatened by Dale Brown (his LSU coach) if he pursued undergraduate fraternity membership.
Louisiana people, am I correct?:confused:

DoggyStyle82 11-13-2002 07:20 PM

Re: Did this also apply at some Southern institutions?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Steeltrap
Well, I once read many years ago where "Sugar" Shaquille O'Neal had his basketball scholarship threatened by Dale Brown (his LSU coach) if he pursued undergraduate fraternity membership.
Louisiana people, am I correct?:confused:

That was the case with Michael Jordan and Dean Smith at North Carolina. I know that at my yard up North, none of the athletes have gone greek since '77. I know that in the past, many of the football players at Penn State pledged Omega. There is one on the team now.

Steeltrap 11-13-2002 07:52 PM

Thanks
 
Thank you, DoggyStyle82, for the information on Jordan and Dean Smith.

knowledge1 11-13-2002 09:32 PM

As far as the Shaq situation was concerned... the Ques had just been kicked off the yard at LSU in like '89.. If I'm not mistaken, Shaq started his collegiate basketball career in like either '89 or '90..

Realistically speaking, whether or not Dale Brown had threatened Shaq with a revoked athletic scholarship for pursuing fraternity membership, he still couldn't have become an Omega anyway. He was also notorious for running around campus throwing up the hooks (on and off the court) when he wasn't even a duly initiated Omega.

My thought is that coaches really don't care one way or the other if their athletes, particularly at LSU, pledge. That option is pretty much left open, as long as they are performing for the team.

Steeltrap 11-13-2002 09:36 PM

knowledge1, Shaq's freshman year was 1989-90. He entered college at age 17.

LilPrincess21 11-22-2002 02:31 PM

Why?
 
Hearing this story upsets me not only because this is in my hometown of Pittsburgh, not just because I know some of the individuals that have been assaulted by the police but because this can happen anywhere at anytime. Police brutaility has to stop and it has to stop now. :eek:

DSTSolo01 11-22-2002 05:12 PM

Reading that brought back some memories, considering I was actually at that party, lol. It was total chaos. And basically, the smartest thing to do in that situation is to move your A** unless you want to get caught up in the mess. I don't understand why there always seems to be drama between football players and frats. It's like that at Pitt, and it was like that at the school I went to before I transferred to Pitt. :confused:

DELTAQTE 02-24-2003 06:22 AM

ok has anyone seen "wildest police videos"? they show an incident with the cops and the sigmas I think. Is this the incident they show on the show? It sounds similar.


QTE

DoggyStyle82 02-24-2003 10:52 PM

I haven't seen that one. When was it on?

There was a big brawl between the football players at U of Mich and the Bruhs not too long ago. The usual for that yard.


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