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HolyGhost7 06-29-2002 07:02 PM

July 4th-Independence???
 
Sorors and Sisterfriends,

What do you all think about the new declaration that reciting the pledge of allegiance is unconstitutional because it says in God we trust ????


Ps: why is it that people have a problem with the Christian religion (i.e, prayer in school, pledge of allegiance,etc.) but have no problem SPENDING MONEY that says IN GOD WE TRUST!!!

JUST MY $ 19.22

Yemaya 07-02-2002 11:31 AM

I myself think that this is a bunch of crap because of a few reasons....

1. Its on the money that we spend everyday just as HolyGhost7 said
2. When a family member passes away and was in the service, in their gun salute, one of the shots is for GOD
3. The pledge of allegiance was used in schools b4 ( i remember saying it in school) so why is it bad now?

These ppl dont know what they want to do. Hypocrites. A bunch of hypocrites!

If I offended anyone, my bad. -Yemaya-

SeriousSigma22 07-02-2002 08:30 PM

Sorhors and Sisterfriends,


This is just my opinion but I believe that this individual because he has the wealth and resources feels that he can change the moral foundation of American history. There are always going to be groups of people out there trying to push their own agenda, however, I think this person doesn't realize that he picked the wrong time to want to push his ideology.

Serioussigma22:cool:

Moreover, if he doesn't like that part of the pledge he doesn't have to say it or rather his bratty daughter doesn't have to say it. The state of Virginia reinstated the pledge during the 2000-2001 academic school year and the students that didn't want to participate in saying the pledge had the right to sit quietly without disturbing their classmates. I didn't have any problems with any of my juniors or seniors when the pledge was stated the first thing each morning. Virginia also reinstated a one minute moment of silence and there wasn't a problem with any of the students misbehaving.

CodeBlue_R3 07-04-2002 11:54 PM

My Opinion
 
I'm a Christian, at times I have found myself not to act like it-but I have confessed with my mouth and believed in my heart...

But anyway down to business. Personally, I feel the target isn't just Christians per se, because Muslims and Jews (Judaism) too serve ONE GOD.

It's amazing how everyday people celebrate and respect the Christian beliefs and don't even notice it.

Notice all the places that close for the Sabbath. What they think the post office is going to stay open on Sunday's next? They think everyone is going to keep there businesses open past 6pm. They think the children are going to go to school on Sunday too? (Interesting that even in a country were there is communism-the children go to school 6 days a week and Sunday isn't one of them). Notice all the people who celebrate Mardi Gras. Do you know what Mardi Gras truly is?

Mardi Gras also known as Shrove Tuesday and Lent. This is the day before the beginning of Lent. Traditionally, church goers celebrated this "lavish" carnaval before the solemn period of Lent. They did everything they needed to do before totally dedicating themselves to God. The next 40 days and nights of that person's life would be a period of fasting, forgiveness of sins, confession, and absolution which would end Good Friday.

What about all the people who have no problem with all the Christmas sales and gift giving and parties etc? This isn't a Christian ritual but it is in honor of THE LORD that we celebrate that season.

Perhaps the children who get out of school for "Easter" now known to many as "Spring Break/End of Winter Recess".

And boy the money that we so "In God we Trust".

Remember back in September when everything was "God Bless America" how quick they are to turn there backs on him.

Not even wanting to honor him in the pledge, a country found on Christian values. I guess they think America won it's Independance on it's own. (Secret's out: Who's name was exalted on just about every sign after the towers came down?)

See now what I'm about to be is pissed off, but I'm going to keep my cool.

"ONE NATION UNDER GOD", I shout it to the top of my lungs. People the times are ending it's time people opened there eyes, we are living the Revelation Times now.

Where will you be when the Rapture comes? Where will you spend eternity after Judgement Day?

Just to add in a little note to those who want to know how to get saved check out: Romans 10:9-10.

I admit I'm not perfect to man-but God knows my heart and it's one of the most beautiful things he's created, if you need someone to talk to drop me a message or leave your screenname to a messenger in my private message box.

SeriousSigma22 07-05-2002 05:31 PM

CodeBlue_R3,

Well stated! Too many people only want to call on God when it suits their needs but to give Him the honor and respect everyday then thats a cause for change.


If you want to be an atheist - it's okay with me and most people in America but don't try to force your values and beliefs on the rest of us. If you don't want to live in this country where Christians and believers in one God have a right to worship Him then maybe you need to live in a place where they don't worship God, like the Republic of China.

Serioussigma
:cool:

determined_one 07-06-2002 11:26 AM

What's next?
 
Hello it's good to be back!

Ladies, this subject is very serious for myself and our country. I feel that America, a country that was founded under religious beliefs for some reason is moving away from these beliefs. I dont want any one to take this the wrong way, however, America is becoming too "democratic". Like many of you said, if your an athesist hey, dont say the pledge BUT trying to take this subject to the higher courts is ridiculious and disrespectful to the Lord, disrespectful to myself and the other many people who believe in ONE God.

Ok thats my say...Until next time have a good one! :)

MIDWESTDIVA 07-06-2002 01:04 PM

Re: My Opinion
 
I think the pledge of allegiance needs to be recited every day like when I was a kid. Actually, I think the school year needs to be longer too, but that's a topic for another thread.


CodeBlue,

The sabbath is the seventh day of the week, not the first.

CodeBlue_R3 07-06-2002 11:24 PM

Re: Re: My Opinion
 
Quote:

Originally posted by MIDWESTDIVA
I think the pledge of allegiance needs to be recited every day like when I was a kid. Actually, I think the school year needs to be longer too, but that's a topic for another thread.


CodeBlue,

The sabbath is the seventh day of the week, not the first.

That's a whole different subject that I am not even trying to get into. But mind you on some calendars the first day of the week is Monday which would make Sunday the last and seventh day of the week.

As a child I started my week with Monday due to cultural and religious reasons and I started my year during the Pentecost (7th day after Easter) which is marked as the start of the holy church and was traditionally the time of baptism and wearing white (A new and pure beginning.)

However, my God says that I will not be punished for what I do not know-I'm not a seventh day adventist (I prefer non other than the title "Christian" with no denomination and my day of the sabbath is worshipped on Sunday.

But like I mentioned, I'm not trying to start anything only emphasize my beliefs-sorry if you feel different.

SeriousSigma22 07-07-2002 08:04 PM

Well stated and I'm looking at a yearly calendar right now and Sunday according to the calendar is the first day of the week but Monday is the first work day of the week!

As a fellow Christian or believer I also don't try to get caught up in the denominational definition of the Sabbath I just know that I serve a God that showed me His love, grace and mercy by paying that great price for us all!

Serioussigma22:cool:

MIDWESTDIVA 07-09-2002 05:51 PM

I wasn't aware that a work week existed in the book of Genesis, but I digress. My beliefs about the sabbath are based on scripture, and historical research that I have done. Not any particular denomination's teachings.

SeriousSigma22 07-09-2002 08:42 PM

MidWestDiva,

You're correct the first book of the Bible doesn't refer to Sunday as being the first day of the week it just says that in six days He rested from His work. My reference that I'm using is the Scofield Study Bible, King James Version Genesis Chapter 2 verses 1-3. However, I'm using the point of reference from a regular secular calendar that I'm looking at which sets up the first day of each week with Sunday and Monday being the first work day of the week.

I've also done a lot of research on religions and most of the denominations, however, not all of the Protestant sect of Christianity recognize the first day of the week as being on Sunday because that is when Jesus Christ arose. After all I believe that Christ as the second Adam came to redeem humankind and fulfill those old mosaic laws.

Serioussigma22:cool:


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