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badgeguy 08-01-2013 06:38 PM
GA State College White Student Union
 
Georgia State Student Forms White Student Union

Any thoughts?

On a side note, when I was in school, our chapter tried repeatedly to contact Alpha Phi Alpha, and Kappa Alpha Psi to have parties together, but we never got any responses. We were a brand new chapter on campus and maybe we didn't approach the groups correctly, or weren't clear about how parties worked with other groups at that time.
I was wondering if there are any campuses in which the traditional african american groups had events with the traditional caucasian groups?

Sen's Revenge 08-01-2013 07:14 PM
"Why is it when a white person say he is proud to be white he’s shunned as a racist?"

Because he/she usually really is.

To your side note: While it was rude of them not to respond, BGLO chapters are typically smaller and stretched a lot thinner when it comes to programming. When it comes to Alpha, I know for a fact that if the chapter is in a district that has a spring conference, they are literally going to be tied up for half of the semester's weekends on official business (District Conference, Region Convention, membership intake activities) and that's not counting the road trips and performances in step shows on other campuses (which, if they win, are handsome fundraisers).

knight_shadow 08-01-2013 07:32 PM
To piggyback on Sen's comment..

There's also the chance that they couldn't host a party. In my fraternity (not a BGLO, FWIW), the undergraduates are required to register the party with their regional directors (and sometimes the school itself), who then get together with our national board for approval (to make sure all the insurance stuff is in order). If someone tries to get an approval at the last minute, it's possible that it can be denied. No approval = no party.

At any point, did your chapter offer to co-sponsor a service event or any other type of programming? Or did you all support any of their existing programs? We were much more likely to mingle with an organization if they at least made an effort to check out what we were doing.

amIblue? 08-01-2013 08:06 PM
As far as the story in the original link goes, GMAFB. Quite frankly your ever so innocent tone with these posts is getting tiresome as all get out, badgeguy.

As far as pairing up among the conferences goes, there are service projects and activites done as joint efforts by the Tri Greek council at Vanderbilt, which matches NPC, NIC, and NPHC orgs together. They do some pretty cool stuff.

pshsx1 08-01-2013 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Sen's Revenge (Post 2228593)
"Why is it when a white person say he is proud to be white he’s shunned as a racist?"

Because he/she usually really is.
^^ This falls into the reasons why there isn't a White History Month or a White Entertainment Television or any other Privileged Majority things.

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And on the note of NPHC/IFC interaction, my fraternity has hosted a few events with NPHC orgs. The thing is, the ratio was usually somewhere around 30 SigEps to 1 NPHC person. So, it was understanding what they could do with their resources. Also, there were sometimes limitations to what types of events they would want to participate in.

Also, it is hard to bring an NPHC org into your social calendar rotation all of a sudden when no one has reached out to them for the past XX years they were on campus. You have to understand that to.

StealthMode 08-01-2013 08:45 PM
Ha! We (my young adult ministry) just discussed this last week though we were talking about incidents from high school BSUs. How ironic that this pops up this week.

Is it fair that it's not PC to have a White Student Union? No. We will leave it there and not discuss the historical context that makes people leery of lots of Caucasians getting together to celebrate their White pride. Was that what you were looking for?

badgeguy 08-01-2013 09:09 PM
Ok, do NPHC groups often try to reach out to NIC or NPC groups on their campus? I understood the difficulty in trying to set up events do to scheduling, but at the time I was in school I would have loved to been able to learn more about the whole NPHC culture and how it differed from what I was experiencing. At the school there was a definite desperation between "white" groups and the "non-white" groups.

I came from a high school where we had friends from all walks....and then going off to college and joining the fraternity...I'll say it, it was as if the whole system was a "whites only" thing....it really bothered me becuase even at rush events we couldn't attract any minorities, they usually always went to the NPHC groups....it was I guess a sort of "you go your way, and we will go our way..."

I just don't understand, in this day and age why that was the case.

As for my original post...amiblue? why do you feel this is tiring? Are you opposed to race discussions?? Unfortunately this country will always have a race issue becuase people don't really want to talk about it, seems that most people just want it all be swept under a rug.

I would love for the entire world to think of us all as human beings first....forgetting the religious, ethnical, skin color, and all that....

ElieM 08-01-2013 09:19 PM
That makes about as much sense as having a "men's officer" on the student council

Psi U MC Vito 08-01-2013 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ElieM (Post 2228617)
That makes about as much sense as having a "men's officer" on the student council
In certain situations this would make sense. The WSU makes sense in some situations as well, where the white students make up a small minority of the population. At GSU, not so much because they are still the largest single group.

chiojes 08-01-2013 09:58 PM
This is ridiculous to me. I think people who create things like "white student unions" are so ignorant. Our greek week at UCF would include the NPHC organizations as well as other diverse greek chapters. We also had a step component to our Greek sing.

amIblue? 08-01-2013 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by badgeguy (Post 2228614)
Ok, do NPHC groups often try to reach out to NIC or NPC groups on their campus? I understood the difficulty in trying to set up events do to scheduling, but at the time I was in school I would have loved to been able to learn more about the whole NPHC culture and how it differed from what I was experiencing. At the school there was a definite desperation between "white" groups and the "non-white" groups.

I came from a high school where we had friends from all walks....and then going off to college and joining the fraternity...I'll say it, it was as if the whole system was a "whites only" thing....it really bothered me becuase even at rush events we couldn't attract any minorities, they usually always went to the NPHC groups....it was I guess a sort of "you go your way, and we will go our way..."

I just don't understand, in this day and age why that was the case.

As for my original post...amiblue? why do you feel this is tiring? Are you opposed to race discussions?? Unfortunately this country will always have a race issue becuase people don't really want to talk about it, seems that most people just want it all be swept under a rug.

I would love for the entire world to think of us all as human beings first....forgetting the religious, ethnical, skin color, and all that....
I said tiresome, not tiring. There is a difference. And I already told you in my post what I find tiresome: your pretended innocent, fence riding tone. Do you seriously not know what the problem with a white student union is? Were you recently transplanted here from Mars or are you just willfully obtuse?
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I participate in race related threads frequently. I also assert opinions. I don't have a problem with the conversation. My problem is with you and your lack of opinions while trying to stir the pot.

Leslie Anne 08-01-2013 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by badgeguy (Post 2228614)
Ok, do NPHC groups often try to reach out to NIC or NPC groups on their campus? I understood the difficulty in trying to set up events do to scheduling, but at the time I was in school I would have loved to been able to learn more about the whole NPHC culture and how it differed from what I was experiencing. At the school there was a definite desperationI think you mean disparity between "white" groups and the "non-white" groups.



I came from a high school where we had friends from all walks....and then going off to college and joining the fraternity...I'll say it, it was as if the whole system was a "whites only" thing....it really bothered me becuase even at rush events we couldn't attract any minorities, they usually always went to the NPHC groups....it was I guess a sort of "you go your way, and we will go our way..."

I just don't understand, in this day and age why that was the case.
Do you really not understand this? I'm with amiblue?. I think you're playing dumb and I have no idea why you'd want to do that.

sigmadiva 08-01-2013 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by badgeguy (Post 2228614)
Ok, do NPHC groups often try to reach out to NIC or NPC groups on their campus? I understood the difficulty in trying to set up events do to scheduling, but at the time I was in school I would have loved to been able to learn more about the whole NPHC culture and how it differed from what I was experiencing. At the school there was a definite desperation between "white" groups and the "non-white" groups.
When I was an undergrad, no we really did not try to do too much with the "white" groups, as you put it.

I think what you don't understand is the purpose for existence of NPHC groups. NPHC orgs are not so much social orgs as NPC and IFC are, but instead we are about community service, with an emphasis for the AfAm community. Our programs and fundraisers target a variety of community service projects. One joins NPHC orgs not so much for their socializing, but because one feels an alignment with their community service programs.

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I came from a high school where we had friends from all walks....and then going off to college and joining the fraternity...I'll say it, it was as if the whole system was a "whites only" thing....it really bothered me becuase even at rush events we couldn't attract any minorities, they usually always went to the NPHC groups....it was I guess a sort of "you go your way, and we will go our way..."



I just don't understand, in this day and age why that was the case.
NPHC orgs have a strong presence in the AfAm community, and that can impress an AfAm youngster to want to join that org. I typically don't see NPC and IFC orgs actively working in the AfAm community, so when AfAm kids go to college more often than not NPC and IFC orgs aren't on their radar.

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As for my original post...amiblue? why do you feel this is tiring? Are you opposed to race discussions?? Unfortunately this country will always have a race issue becuase people don't really want to talk about it, seems that most people just want it all be swept under a rug.

I would love for the entire world to think of us all as human beings first....forgetting the religious, ethnical, skin color, and all that....
Sure.:rolleyes:

Kevin 08-01-2013 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by badgeguy (Post 2228614)
Ok, do NPHC groups often try to reach out to NIC or NPC groups on their campus? I understood the difficulty in trying to set up events do to scheduling, but at the time I was in school I would have loved to been able to learn more about the whole NPHC culture and how it differed from what I was experiencing. At the school there was a definite desperation between "white" groups and the "non-white" groups.

I came from a high school where we had friends from all walks....and then going off to college and joining the fraternity...I'll say it, it was as if the whole system was a "whites only" thing....it really bothered me becuase even at rush events we couldn't attract any minorities, they usually always went to the NPHC groups....it was I guess a sort of "you go your way, and we will go our way..."

I just don't understand, in this day and age why that was the case.

As for my original post...amiblue? why do you feel this is tiring? Are you opposed to race discussions?? Unfortunately this country will always have a race issue becuase people don't really want to talk about it, seems that most people just want it all be swept under a rug.

I would love for the entire world to think of us all as human beings first....forgetting the religious, ethnical, skin color, and all that....
It seems you're making a few errors here. First, you seem to assume that there is such a thing as the AfAm community. Second, you're assuming NPHC=NIC/NPC for black people.

Both of those assumptions would be wrong. Just because we all have Greek letters doesn't mean we're all created for a similar purpose. I belong to a social fraternity. Service certainly is part of it, but it's definitely not the focus.

Now, yes, we've had co sponsored events with NPHC groups--had a great fish fry with the Deltas when I was an undergrad 10ish years ago... that should've become a thing... but as someone else said, those groups, at least on my campus are nowhere near our size and they already have plenty of programming without really needing to reach out.

It just seems you're assuming GLO=GLO, which is just wrong.

MysticCat 08-01-2013 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by badgeguy (Post 2228614)
I would love for the entire world to think of us all as human beings first....forgetting the religious, ethnical, skin color, and all that....
I'm not a fan of the "why can't we all be color-blind?" approach. I think it encourages us to accept a false uniformity by asking us to ignore the things about "them" that (1) make "them" who they are, and (2) make them different from "us." At best, it is disrespectful; at worst, it carries an expectation that everything would be okay if everyone could just be like "us." (As in, perhaps, suggesting that it's somehow wrong that the NPHC don't act like "the rest of us.")

Instead of trying forget or ignore these things, I think the better course is to strive to accept and respect the many things that make us all different -- my religious perspective would say strive to see how all of those differences somehow reflect the image of God -- and to understand how those differences can be enriching to us all rather than alienating. And in my experience, that can be much harder work than trying to "forget" the differences.

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Originally Posted by badgeguy (Post 2228588)
Yes.


If you want more response than that, then perhaps you should offer thoughts of your own first rather than just plopping it down in the middle of the room and then waiting to see what happens.


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