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AGDee 10-23-2011 03:09 PM

GC is unbelievably slow right now
 
Is anybody else having issues with GC being incredibly slow right now or is it me? It's taking forever for any page to load. When I go to any forum, it takes a long time for the threads to load. I can watch them load almost one by one. Was there a change? Denial of Service Attack going on? Or is it me?

lovespink88 10-23-2011 03:16 PM

I think it may be you? I'm not experiencing any issues at the moment.

AGDee 10-23-2011 03:19 PM

Oddly, none of my other web browsing seems to be affected. I can barely read GC though. Which might be ok since I should be reading 7 chapters for school right now...

Senusret I 10-23-2011 04:31 PM

GC is slow for me.

christiangirl 10-23-2011 04:52 PM

I'm good. Though given the 2 papers I am supposed to be writing, this may be hazardous to my attention span.

AGDee 10-23-2011 07:27 PM

It's doing fine now. It was crazy slow earlier. No idea what was going on.

John 10-24-2011 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AGDee (Post 2101845)
Is anybody else having issues with GC being incredibly slow right now or is it me? It's taking forever for any page to load. When I go to any forum, it takes a long time for the threads to load. I can watch them load almost one by one. Was there a change? Denial of Service Attack going on? Or is it me?

I did a bit of investigating on the server but couldn't determine what may have caused the issue. I didn't see any excessive bandwidth, CPU or memory usage in the logs for approx 3pm or any indication of a DoS. No traffic spikes as well.

It's possible that we just happened to have a bunch of simultaneous site-wide searches which slowed things down. I doubt that was the issue, though.

If it happens again look down to the bottom of your browser window in the status area and see if there's a domain that appears stuck and not loading. That might give a bit more detail of what's going on.

Hopefully it's not a server hardware issue, which might be another possibility.

How long was the slow down going on for?

Senusret I 10-24-2011 08:52 AM

It seemed to be at least an hour.

AGDee 10-24-2011 10:20 AM

Yeah, it was about an hour for me too, I think. I'm glad there was no indication of a DoS. Thanks for checking though, John. My first thought was that it was one of the ad sites because those were taking a long time to load too. Maybe one of them had a glitch which probably wouldn't have shown up in your server logs.

John 11-04-2011 09:05 PM

Disturbing email received today at 7:59AM, indicating possible trouble on the horizon...

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Hello, this is an automated e-mail. I've detected a potential problem on this server. You may want to look into it. Details of the problem are below.

The server load average is currently above the threshold of 5.00. The current load average is 14.19 17.13 11.04.

You are receiving this message due to the system health detector configuration.
The server load averages in the quote above are the 1 minute average (14.19), 5 minute average (17.13) and 15 minute average (11.04).

A server load average of 1 generally means the server is running at 100% capacity, per server core. The server GC is hosted on has 4 CPU cores, so 4.0 would be the 100% capacity load average. Staying below 70% capacity is ideal, which would be a max server load average of 2.8. Going over 20.0 (5.0 per cpu core) starts setting off serious alarms and might indicate impending doom for the server (depending on what's causing the issue).

As seen in the email, 17.13 was the 5 minute average. The peak server load may have been much higher than the average. This is pretty bad.

Today's issue + the issue this thread was started about does have me concerned. I've been through this several times before, 3 times resulted in major server crashes (twice about 10 years ago and once around 4 or 5 years ago). Twice it cost me a crazy amount of work with very little sleep over a period of days. Once it was the same + nearly $2k in direct expenses to recover from the crash. Believe me, I don't look forward at all to getting that phone call at 3:00AM again.

Speaking of server crashes, they sometimes come unexpectedly so it might be good for whoever is on Twitter to follow GreekChat on that site: http://twitter.com/#!/GreekChat In the event of a major server crash, I'll use that account to post updates & to announce when GC is back online.

Dealing with this stuff takes time & money. I can make the time available, but money is definitely an issue. One of the reasons I don't work all that much further developing GC anymore is simply because I need to constantly chase the bucks in order to get the bills paid. Times are tough and I know that it's this way for many of us.

3 million people were served by GreekChat in the last 12 months alone. I'm sure GreekChat has enough members & lurkers wanting GC to thrive that the support will be there when it's needed the most.

So, with all that in mind, I am going to:

1. Try to sort out the site finances by making premium paid subscriptions available on GreekChat for those among us who choose to support GC in that way. Free access will remain available just as it is. Paid site memberships will simply be an alternative option for those who would like to help financially support the GreekChat community. I'll do whatever I can to make premium accounts as valuable as possible, including whatever extra account functionality that I can provide. The price I have in mind is approx 10 cents per day, $39.95 per year. I'll also guarantee a 100% refund within 60 days (PayPal's refund time limit) for anyone who gets buyer's / GC supporter's remorse. More details coming soon.

2. Server rebuild is on the way with much higher capacity hardware. I already have all but 1 part of the server hardware that I'd like for this rebuild. I purchased all the parts for a server rebuild a while back, but decided not to spend so much time doing all the required legwork since things were going reasonably well with GC's current rented server. The time saved enabled me to focus on other work, but upgrading/rebuilding the server really shouldn't wait too much longer.

3. Depending on the level of support received in #1, I might be able to cut back on other work and start spending a lot more time working on GreekChat again. A very serious time commitment from me would come if support from the community membership is there. As I mentioned in #1 above, I would do whatever I can to make paid memberships as valuable as possible and would offer a 60 day 100% money back satisfaction guarantee. That last part sounds like a good sales pitch... I just want premium GC members to be happy with their choice of helping to support the site and would want to give a refund to anyone who isn't satisfied.

On the topic of advertising sales, it's easier said than done. It also might be that I enjoy developing community websites so much more than wheeling & dealing trying to sell ad space to other companies every day. I still work on it all the time, though. Advertising sales is a necessary component, but it's also difficult making enough ad sales to replace the need to ask for members to become paid supporting members. I mention this because we've discussed the topic before on GC some time ago.

Ad networks often put low quality ads on GC with no option to pre-approve only good quality or better ads. I maintain contact with 70 or so companies, but it's really tough getting even a very small fraction of them to buy ads on GC each month. I really appreciate GreekChat's advertisers, though, and it would be good for anyone who is interested to check out their offers (ads are usually up at the top of pages or on the left side). GreekYearbook has probably been GreekChat's most consistent long-term site advertiser/sponsor over the past few years and they really deserve the extra mention.

During discussions in the past it's been mentioned that I should look for a major site sponsor. I'm still looking. :) Figured I would mention, though, if anyone knows of a company that wants to become a superstar to GreekChat's audience of 3 million visitors each year, please have them contact GC.

Back to the main point of this message. It's apparent that GreekChat needs upgraded server hardware again, which means I need your support if you are able and willing to help. Please just think about it at this point and in a few days or so when I setup premium GC memberships I would hope that you have decided to become a GC supporting member.

etadrisophila 11-04-2011 10:50 PM

This is a serious problem and the message needs to reach all readers. Is there a way to keep this thread at the TOP of the recent threads page?

ree-Xi 11-04-2011 11:49 PM

Is there an option available for people to help out even with $5, 10 at a time? I don't care about "premium services" in exchange for it, I just would like to be able to help out a little when I can. I don't want to speak for others, but I am guessing that there are some others here who feel the same. I mean, if you got 200 people to donate $10 each, that would cover a lot of your cost, right?

IndianaSigKap 11-05-2011 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ree-Xi (Post 2104548)
Is there an option available for people to help out even with $5, 10 at a time? I don't care about "premium services" in exchange for it, I just would like to be able to help out a little when I can. I don't want to speak for others, but I am guessing that there are some others here who feel the same. I mean, if you got 200 people to donate $10 each, that would cover a lot of your cost, right?

This sounds like a good idea. One of the sites I frequent has a PayPal donation link. Once a year I donate $20-25. You could do it that way without having to add "premium services".

John 11-05-2011 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by etadrisophila (Post 2104541)
This is a serious problem and the message needs to reach all readers. Is there a way to keep this thread at the TOP of the recent threads page?

When premium account access is available for GreekChat supporting members I'll be promoting it throughout the site in a very noticeable location.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ree-Xi (Post 2104548)
Is there an option available for people to help out even with $5, 10 at a time? I don't care about "premium services" in exchange for it, I just would like to be able to help out a little when I can. I don't want to speak for others, but I am guessing that there are some others here who feel the same. I mean, if you got 200 people to donate $10 each, that would cover a lot of your cost, right?

Yes, every contribution does help make a difference and would be very appreciated. A few years ago I held a donation drive, raised approx $500 from around 20 people. It sort of feels too awkward in a way to be asking for donations month after month so I only did it that one time. If I could provide a lot more value for premium/paid account holders (I'm sure I could) then I'd feel right about promoting that regularly as opposed to always asking for donations. I guess I'd feel as though I earned it by providing additional value beyond the free level of access to GC.

Just to put it into perspective, I probably have $50k+ into this (plus thousands of hours of work) since launching the site years ago and have only recovered a fraction of that. I joke sometimes and refer to GC as my expensive hobby. It wasn't envisioned to turn out that way, but I still try to make it work and look forward to when I finally figure out the recipe for success.

Covering base costs and dealing with the more urgent current server issue is very important, but I'd like to try and get GC beyond that, if possible, so that site development doesn't remain stagnated.

Anyhow, I can setup an option for $5 or $10 contributions as you mentioned. I think the way I'd like to accommodate for that is to make monthly premium account access available (in addition to the annual plan) with the price being $5 per month. This way anyone wanting to contribute $5 would still receive the bonus account features during the month.

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Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap (Post 2104627)
This sounds like a good idea. One of the sites I frequent has a PayPal donation link. Once a year I donate $20-25. You could do it that way without having to add "premium services".

I'm thinking more GCers would be interested in helping to support the site if there were some fringe benefits of doing so. Maybe things like virtually unlimited private messaging storage or ability to use avatars. I might still setup a donations link, though, if there are members or site visitors who would like to support GC without the upgraded premium account access or in addition to it.

Thanks for all the comments.

Senusret I 11-05-2011 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by John (Post 2104632)
Maybe things like virtually unlimited private messaging storage or ability to use avatars.

:)

Yes.


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