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AKA_Monet 11-21-2001 04:16 PM

Know Your Documents!!! I Mean Diamonds!!!
 
Apparently, there has been an extreme miseducation regarding some levels of purchasing exquisite rings for loved ones... So, it is better to have the access to knowledge and make an informed decision since you or your hunny will be layin' out some bucks, if you are so well endowed during this season... (Here comes my seasonal depression).

Diamonds: They are NOT forever!!! That is one the biggest BS lies that DeBeers Corp puts out. Diamonds are one the most abundance "rocks" on planet Earth. How many are Gemstone quality? Well, that is up for contention--Because it is DeBeers who decides what's gemstone quality and what's not... Crafty SOB's aren't they...

And don't let me go into how the "family" did all this "crap"... That's when you get a revolutionary stance and realize the world ain't all what it is cracked up to be... All I will tell you it has something to do with Apartheid, Zimbabwe (Rhodesia), Cecil B. Rhodes-as in Rhodes scholar, Nobel--as in Nobel Laureate, Oppenheimer and Mr. DeBeers. The only other groups just as crafty, if not craftier, are Mr. Shell, Mr. ChevronTexaco and Mr. Phillip H. Morris... NO ONE WILL EVER LET YOU KNOW. All I can say, is Yurugu-in' ain't easy... Know thyself...

Secondly, if you still desire a diamond after all that has been shown to you, then maybe you want to reconsider its source... The land that it came from and who dug it up. The Untied States/Canadida have diamond mines... As well as a huge mines in Russia and Austrialia. Those diamonds are not considered "conflict"--but, are they gemstone quality? Probably dedicated not to be. Why? 'Cuz diamonds make excellent weapons... Ever heard of Laser targeting from a Satellite? Hmmmm, wonder how is that done? Engineering folks know... The things has to be focussed somehow... Kolor, Klarity and Kut--okay, nuff said! Also, diamonds are only the strongest substance on Earth. Yes, it takes a diamond to cut a diamond... Besides, you make more money selling weapons-grade diamonds than you do gemstones. Folks ain't willin' to PAY for a $25,000 quarter carat diamond... So... And even that is an inflated price--Supply is equal to the Demand. But since DeBeers is an International Monopoly, the Untied States, cain't say chit to 'em... Folks ARE bought and paid for by DeBeers. NOBODY fights, unless DeBeers sez they do... Satellites don't have to work, you know...

Another thing, white and yellow diamonds are the most abundant diamonds. Why do you THINK all the rings are sold off as white? That's why I would opt for a colored diamond... Diamonds come in all colors. Red being the rarest. Colored stones are becoming popular, but they are NOT for the average consumer--An Argyle Pink, half carat costs close to $10,000 US... But, your sanity and conscience will be clear if you make the investment... Moreover, that was a deal made between the Austrialians and DeBeers, DeBeers can embargo your chit before you know it, so the Aussies had to let them have the white/yellow diamonds, including the weapons-grade, but kept the other colors to sell. DeBeers makes it hard on a brutha to sell a diamond...

And in the true Afrikan Centered spirit, the Wattoto, in South Africa, there was such a thing a alluvian diamonds--one would walk along the beach a pick up a "diamond in the rough"...

Next response, how diamonds are mind...

DreamfulOne 11-21-2001 04:27 PM

Just curious...where did you get all of this information from?

I was under the impression that clear diamonds were the best. I originally didn't want a diamond with any color...but i think I'm going to investigate the different qualities...

I did hear about the tragedies in Sierre Leone though...I think it was Dateline

straightBOS 11-21-2001 11:15 PM

Most of this info is readily available anywhere. *shrugs*

Also, the Russians control many of the African mines.
DIAMONDS ARE NOT RARE.

Instead price- fixing and good marketing strategies are to thank for the prices. If the companies really wanted to, they could release a flood of diamonds onto the market and force prices down.

I really wished you had gone into detail about the diamond mines and "conflict diamonds" in Africa and digging for diamonds for 14 hours a day with a stick. Because, sadly, the post seems to be an unsubstantiated rambling because you allude to, but do not present a majority of the evidence.

But, like I said, anyone can find out the deal on diamonds if they want. And I hope they will.

ClassyLady 11-21-2001 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DreamfulOne
I was under the impression that clear diamonds were the best. I originally didn't want a diamond with any color...but i think I'm going to investigate the different qualities...

Clear, or white, diamonds are the most popular. But, colored diamonds are rarer and therefore, more valuable.

The most popular colored diamonds are the canary yellow ones. They also come in pink, brown, black and green. Green is the rarest and most valuable colored diamond.

When buying colored diamonds, make sure that you ask the jeweler if they are naturally colored or treated. Treated diamonds are heated to make the color more even or brighter. The naturally colored ones are much more valuable.

Six_Three_Sigma 11-22-2001 12:36 PM

Peoples, AKA Monet is on point with what she is saying. Most diamonds floating around this worl have some sort of history associated with them. (Sadly, most of the history is bad.)

But if you guys do wnat a diamond, and are worried about the BIG LIE that DeBeers (and ALL other diamond sellers), don't worry!!!! It is true that diamonds are not forever. This is based on certain scientific facts of which I will not go into. The most important thing that people should know about the lifetime of a diamond is that by the time it "decomposes" everyone on earth now will be long gone.

Good luck with your searches for the "right" diamond.

Happy Thanksgiving

Six_Three_Sigma

straightBOS 11-22-2001 12:48 PM

What does everyone thing about simulated/ lab-created diamonds??

AKA_Monet 11-23-2001 03:55 AM

More on diamonds
 
When I visited the Natural History's Museum's exhibit on "The Nature of Diamonds" in my city, the presentation said that the "red" colored diamond is the rarest... But... I could be wrong.

Okay, what I read, was DeBeers.Com, shut down General Electric's ability to make "lab simulated" diamonds. The this with lab diamonds are they are too small for gemstone quality carats. But, diamonds are the strongest substance on Earth, so... They can still be used for weapons... You make more money making laser guided missles and perfectly cut military vehicles with diamonds, not to mention the "computer chip" applications, than you do with gemstones...

Also, to mine diamonds, one has to find in the Earth a group of rocks that geologist call, Kimberlite pipes. The pipes are where there is an old long line of specific rocks, most garnet and emerald stones, that the Earth developed to "mark" where there are possible diamond targets. Even if you mine out the pipe, you may only get a pound of diamonds, relative to the tons of rock, not to mention wrecking the ecology of strip mining, to get them...
Kimberlite pipes were named after a the first place the largest DeBeers diamond mine was established--called Kimberley, South Africa some time from the late 1800's or the early 1900's...

Lastly, DeBeers IS the only group that wholesales diamonds and not only the Russians can't do ANYTHING about it, no one can... It is 'cuz DeBeers started WHEN diamonds were rare, then they LIED about it, monopolizing the industry. So even if the Russians flood the market, their diamonds can't be sold, DeBeers will take their scientists AND declare the diamonds unfit for gemstones or weapons. Don't ask me... RESEARCH AND READ!!! It's called price-fixing, racketeering, exhortion and monopolizing... Besides, as much as DeBeers owns, they'd just buy the Russian diamonds anyway. Which is probably what their doing currently. Oh, and there are Kimberlite pipes in Canada...

The only interesting facts I admire about diamonds are that some are fluorescent (glow in the dark) and the various colors may be caused by other atoms in the carbon-carbon structures and my favorite is the diamond formed was probably a carbon-13 isotope, meaning it was from live animal--meaning it came from a dinosaur... Oh, as far as colored by synthetic means, the color doesn't last, so I've been told.

And where I learn my stuff, just a hobby of mine... I'm usually tellin' the jeweler about diamonds!!!

CrucialCrimson 11-23-2001 05:48 PM

The value of the diamond is often associated with the workmanship - the better houses and ones that kiss the DeBeers butt get the better specimens, but it's all uphill from there. Also, simulated and lab-created gemstones are not the same thing. Simulated is just that - fake. Lab created means the same conditions and events which create natural gemstomes are recreated in a lab environment so the product is a better speciment - not the real thing, but not simulated either.

Ideal08 11-26-2001 12:37 PM

I know that this is off topic, but...
 
Soror AKA_Monet, What's up, girl?! Where have you been?!?! You've been missed. I hope that you read this. You know you and Soror SexyMocha are known around here as Miss P, P, and D(PopIn, Post, and Dip).

Thanks for the info on the diamonds. I knew they weren't rare, however, I've never heard of colored diamonds. I guess not, at those prices. Hmmm... I'm going to have to let this marinate before I make any rash decisions about my rock.

Diva_56 11-26-2001 06:55 PM

Thank you AKA_Monet...
 
Thankyou for exposing the lies of DeBeers. For the last few years they have been raiding the diamond resources of Sierra Leone in what has been called the Diamond Haulacaust There are atrocities that are going on right now in the country of Africa, in particular the little poor country of Sierra Leone. The Liberian government has given permission for rebels to plunder the town of Sierra Leone of its Diamond supply. Keep in mind that Sierra Leone does not have the largest supply of diamonds in world but they indeed have the best quality diamond supply.
Rebels have not only taken advantage of the people in the country, they have left them crippled by their cruel tactics. First they force the Sierra Leone to come and work for them. If they refuse, they will be killed, or part of their limbs will be amputated. This is by barbaric means of course. As many as 20,000 people in Sierra Leone have been amputated amd many have bled to death because of it. Keep in mind that most of the victims of this are little innocent children who are now forced to go the rest of their lives without limbs for DIAMONDS people, a mineral!!! The US has had a see no evil hear no evil policy on these poor people who cannot even afford aftercare for their limbs. IT IS IMPORTANT THAT EVERYONE TAKE A PROACTIVE ROLE IN HELPING THESE PEOPLE!!!!

I will never buy another diamond and I hope you will not either.


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