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sherryanne 03-19-2009 12:11 AM

FR, COB... bidless. What's wrong with me?
 
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PeppyGPhiB 03-19-2009 01:11 AM

The best trait for PNMs to have, in my opinion, is great conversation skills. When all is said and done, the sorority members will remember most the girls they had a FANTASTIC conversation with. Not just a Q&A. You also need to be careful about which questions you ask. If you ask questions that make the members uncomfortable, they may end up with an overall negative impression of you (subconsciously or not). If you decide to go through recruitment again, I would advise you to brush up on your conversation skills; learn to listen to people when they talk, and build a conversation on what they're saying. Sorority members spend a lot of time practicing this skill for recruitment, too, and I've long said that the strongest recruiters are the women who can have a conversation with ANYONE.

Aside from that, make sure your gpa is up to par with the sorority average.

KSUViolet06 03-19-2009 01:28 AM

I'm sorry you are having a hard time. To be honest, not getting a bid does not mean there is something WRONG with you, nor does it make you any less of a person or anything like that.

I feel that it's important to note that while we can speculate, we really can't tell you for sure why you didn't get a bid because we aren't part of those chapters and the Membership Selection process is private.

However, there could be any number of reasons for it.

Conversation skills are really important, but often overlooked by PNMs. A PNM could be amazing on paper (grades, recs, you name it), but if she can't hold a conversation, she's going to have a hard time. If you are just answering questions and not really having a conversation, it's hard for them to really get a feel for who you are. If they don't get a feel for who you are, how do they know if they want to invite you back?

My best suggestion to you would be to take a step back and relax. Enjoy college, make friends, and get involved in other activities.

Only go through recruitment again if you feel you can REALLY handle potentially going bidless a 3rd time.

Whether you end up in a sorority or not, you don't get a "do-over" of college, so remember to enjoy yourself.


33girl 03-19-2009 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by sherryanne (Post 1792058)
I've gone through FR/COB already, which means two cycles of recruitment, but it seems like I'm just not fitting in with any of the houses. It's disappointing for me because there are more than ten chapters at my school, and one would think that I would have found a home by now. It's not that competitive of a recruitment compared to the South, so I'm afraid that maybe I'm doing something wrong during recruitment... I ask/answer questions like any other PNM, but maybe I'm missing the memorable click?

Maybe I just wasn't meant to be a part of a house, and I'm willing to accept that. It still bugs me though. :(

Methinks that recruitment really IS more competitive than you thought it was and this has hurt your chances.

Find something else that fulfills you and move on.

mittens 03-19-2009 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by PeppyGPhiB (Post 1792079)
The best trait for PNMs to have, in my opinion, is great conversation skills. When all is said and done, the sorority members will remember most the girls they had a FANTASTIC conversation with. Not just a Q&A. You also need to be careful about which questions you ask. If you ask questions that make the members uncomfortable, they may end up with an overall negative impression of you (subconsciously or not). If you decide to go through recruitment again, I would advise you to brush up on your conversation skills; learn to listen to people when they talk, and build a conversation on what they're saying. Sorority members spend a lot of time practicing this skill for recruitment, too, and I've long said that the strongest recruiters are the women who can have a conversation with ANYONE.

Aside from that, make sure your gpa is up to par with the sorority average.

Is it possible to be too talkative? Personally I tend to talk forever sometimes and that's something that crossed my mind when I was thinking about Formal Recruitment:rolleyes:

Unregistered- 03-19-2009 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by mittens (Post 1792245)
Is it possible to be too talkative? Personally I tend to talk forever sometimes and that's something that crossed my mind when I was thinking about Formal Recruitment:rolleyes:

Absolutely. One PNM that came through got nicknamed Chatty Cathy because she would not let any of us get a word in.

KSUViolet06 03-19-2009 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mittens (Post 1792245)
Is it possible to be too talkative? Personally I tend to talk forever sometimes and that's something that crossed my mind when I was thinking about Formal Recruitment:rolleyes:

YES. It's possible. It's a good idea to follow commion sense. In regular conversation, you wouldn't go on and on and not let the other person talk. Same goes for recruitment.

mittens 03-19-2009 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by OTW (Post 1792249)
Absolutely. One PNM that came through got nicknamed Chatty Cathy because she would not let any of us get a word in.


LOL!! I'm assuming she didn't get a bid? I know that's going to be my main problem -- being like Chatty Cathy. Need to brush up on shutting up for 5 minutes and letting my rusher get some Q's in:rolleyes:

Unregistered- 03-19-2009 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by mittens (Post 1792255)
LOL!! I'm assuming she didn't get a bid? I know that's going to be my main problem -- being like Chatty Cathy. Need to brush up on shutting up for 5 minutes and letting my rusher get some Q's in:rolleyes:

I know she didn't get a bid, but I doubt it was because she talked too much.

Blue Skies 03-19-2009 07:43 PM

Start befriending the girls who sit close to you in your classes (this works best in smaller classes or in classes that are in your major.) Smile, and ask a particular girl about what will be on the next quiz or when the next paper is due. Follow up with an observation about something currrent on campus and a question, i.e. "Wow, I had a hard time focusing on this homework assignment with all the excitement about the NCAA championships. My dorm is in an uproar. Is yours?" etc.

Grab a group of friends and start going to every party that you hear about. Practice walking up to people, smiling, and saying, "Hi, I'm [name]." Start with conventional questions (dorm/hometown/major, etc.) then go to an observation and question. Practice, practice, practice until you can make friendly conversation with a brick wall (LOL!) Ask people about themselves, and try to find a way to make them laugh. They will love you for it!

Also, set aside study time each day and join a club or two. Then give recruitment another go. Good luck to you!

sjsoffer 03-20-2009 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Blue Skies (Post 1792287)
Start befriending the girls who sit close to you in your classes (this works best in smaller classes or in classes that are in your major.) Smile, and ask a particular girl about what will be on the next quiz or when the next paper is due. Follow up with an observation about something currrent on campus and a question, i.e. "Wow, I had a hard time focusing on this homework assignment with all the excitement about the NCAA championships. My dorm is in an uproar. Is yours?" etc.

Grab a group of friends and start going to every party that you hear about. Practice walking up to people, smiling, and saying, "Hi, I'm [name]." Start with conventional questions (dorm/hometown/major, etc.) then go to an observation and question. Practice, practice, practice until you can make friendly conversation with a brick wall (LOL!) Ask people about themselves, and try to find a way to make them laugh. They will love you for it!

Also, set aside study time each day and join a club or two. Then give recruitment another go. Good luck to you!

I think this is excellent advice in general, not just for recruitment! :)

WVU alpha phi 03-20-2009 03:47 PM

I think Blue Skies gives good advice on how to possibly make more friends. But you also don't want to come off as overfriendly and scare people off. I think I'd be a little weirded out if a random person walked up to me and introduced themselves as I was walking to class or something. Hopefully you were talking about parties, and that'd be a different situation.

KSUViolet06 03-20-2009 03:54 PM

I would also suggest REALLY thinking over whether you want to go through recruitment again.

It is tough when girls don't get bids, and just really consider if you could deal with it if you went through formal again and didn't receive a bid.

Blue Skies 03-26-2009 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WVU alpha phi (Post 1792709)
I think Blue Skies gives good advice on how to possibly make more friends. But you also don't want to come off as overfriendly and scare people off. I think I'd be a little weirded out if a random person walked up to me and introduced themselves as I was walking to class or something. Hopefully you were talking about parties, and that'd be a different situation.

Yes, I was talking about parties. :)

I was very shy in high school, and I deliberately chose a very social college to help bring me out of my shell. So I speak from personal experience.

Regarding recruitment, I think that dealing with rejection and disappointment is a part of life, and that recruitment is a relatively safe and protected way to learn about that. But knowing your own limits is also a valuable life skill. If a girl knows that she will be emotionally crushed by undergoing possible further rejection, then she would be wise to not subject herself to it.


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